A.J. Francis: Top Dolla

00:00:00 Speaker 1: You're now diving sitting down with Seth and this is strictly for them fans. Number one one, of course, this nearest was talk Welcome Back to the Fish Tank, presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miamie Dolphins Podcast Network, Seth Levitt and my main man o J mc duffy juice. This is like I was talking about, going to next level. This is a whole different thing that we got going on. It really is, man, it really is. Man. Brings me back to my childhood days. We're about to talk about the day as well as my dolphins, right, both both things. All of that. So our guests today you might know him as a J. Francis. If you're a big time Miamie Dolphins fan, you ever seen Maryland fans, you will remember a J. Francis as a defensive lineman. But if you are a w WE fan, some of the craziest fans in the world, some of the top dollars. Then the fish Tank. Yeah, rapping hit Row you know what I'm saying. Everywhere I go, you know, as a hitro g, I have to you know, that's that's part of the life. But the thing is, it's like It's funny because between Maryland and Miami and the WWE like when people come up to me and they know me from somewhere based on what they're telling me, I know where they can figure that out, like what's something we're like, okay, so the uber thing, for sure, it's a dead giveaway, right, you know, especially like Maryland stuff like we're gonna talk about later. I've been rapping my whole life. I've wrapped when I was here, I made like University of Maryland anthem that played for all at all the sports games. It's all sports events. So like if they've come up singing Fear of the Turtle, I know where it's so depends on depends on the different levels of how they interact. But yeah, yeah, and if they're pissed off, you know, it's probably they know top dollars the top shot up right not? I love? Yeah. Usually that's my favorite thing to do, is you know, because you guys know, I'm a nice guy. But like my role in d w W E is a heel. Like my role is to piss everybody off. Some people play hell and they like to you know, they're heels and they're being bad guys. They do bad things, but they actually want the crown to like like them. Yeah, I don't know it was because I understand the psychology of if you don't like me at all, it don't matter who I'm fighting. You like them, right, and the point is for you to like them, you know what I'm saying. So right, that's the part that a lot of people missed that though. Oh that's so good, good stuff. You know, we saw an interview you said that Top Dollars basically a J. Francis and the wwe you know, and that's the character is basically you be an authentic being yourself, which worked out perfectly for us because we want to learn a lot about Top Dollar, but we also want to discuss some of the Miami Dolphin's experience you had down here, and it seems like all the roads be the Pioneer City I'm telling. Yeah, tell us a little bit about you know, your upbringing and also you know how to shape you as AJ Francis slash Top Dollar. You know, I'm very grateful that I had both my mother and my father in my life, you know, growing up in Pioneer City, growing up in Centran, Maryland. I mean it depends on the day how everything's going, you know what I'm saying, Like anything can flip at the drop of a hat. And when you grow up in that lifestyle and you grow up around people that are actively trying to get you to a better and bigger place than you are currently, that can shape your mindset. So, like, my dad was huge in my life growing up as a kid. He was a reason I was always involved in sports. He's a coach. He works in the public school system too as a counselor. He used to work in special ed, so like he does a lot in our community as well as now I do in our community back in Severn. But he understood that, like my potential was bigger than where I was, and he put me in positions to be able to capitalize on that, whether that be when I went to high school in DC, Like I was the only person within thirty miles of where I lived that went to Gonzaga all the way in DC. Everybody else who lived a lot closer. But my dad understood the concept of bigger and better opportunities for his son than he ever got. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, And there's not that's a that tends to be like a lot of times people can't see outside their own scope, you know what I'm saying. And my dad recognized what I was capable of. So fast forward, I'm at Gonzaga, and that was the first time I really realized, like I was always good at sports as a kid, but like I knew other people that were good at sports. You know, I wasn't the only good player that I played. But when I got to high school and I went to Gonzaga, and Gonzaga's into WCAC. It's everywhere from Stefan Diggs, you know, played at Good Council in the w c a C. Like three dudes on my senior class at Gonzaga played in the NFL for five plus years, you know what I'm saying, So like that conference is loaded and I would go there and as a freshman, I was on varsity, and a freshman hadn't been on varsity in like twenty years. So then from that point, I'm like, oh, I can really do this, Like you know what I'm saying, Like I could, I could really make something out of this. And that's when I kind of started fueling that destiny that I wanted to see for myself and went through Gonzaga. It was great. Decided to go to Maryland over some other bigger schools because I believed in the coach of staff and I believed that they believed in me, and played four years at Maryland, came out. I thought I was gonna get drafted. Yeah, we'll talk about that was the drafted. That's kind of soul when you're at a draft party with forty people and you don't get drafted. Oh man, Yeah, not everybody has that first time, you know, there it is. I always has that. I was going to go, Yeah, it's okay, he is some reason, you know, oh man, this thing is. But like, yeah, so I ended up signing with Miami. I don't know, you want to talk about that? And then uh, like sign when Miami went down and came here just with a hope and the dream and an opportunity. Made the most of it, and six years later I was ending my career after six years in the NFL. I mean, not a lot of people can say they played six years in the league, right right. You know, I want to talk about Gonzaga College high school. You went to Man because I had a similar situation myself for my mom made me go thirty forty minutes away from my home. You know, but I went on You went on a bus too, right on the train. On the train, I went on a bus us. You know what I mean. It's a couple of hours away. Man, it was. It was. It was a dude. And you get there and you see some of these kids driving these nights and stuff. But you know, look what it did for what it also does. I didn't appreciate it at the time, but I recognize it now as someone with means, just like you know how it is. If you hang around people that got money, you're gonna find ways to get money. If you hang around people that don't, you're gonna find ways to not what I'm saying. So I'm going to my friends houses and seeing their parents and asking what do you do? What do you do? Right as a high school like what do you do? Like this house is like what do you He's like, Oh, I'm in the real estate and I'm gonna nist sto And I'm like, damn, you get money like this, you know what I'm saying. Like, so who said that they were a w w okay had to get them own way your own way. I love it. I'm gonna tell you talk about some of those houses. Man, that was that was important for me too. You never knew how honestly, how the ot the half way until you to some of these house parties that go to a friends house. You're like, wait a minute, this is this is yeah, all yes, all right. They gave us an opportunity to dream big. Yeah. So what I find intriguing is how just how wide ranging your personality is. You know, Juice just said the top dollar is authentically you. You know, let's let's think about this, right, so talented football player, we covered that musical theater in high school. Sure, you're a rapping villain now in the mat you got your degree in government and politics. Like, none of these things seem to connect if you just look at them. Right, poetry that's what got us connected, right, writing poetry. But all of this, it's not like you just picked these things up as you went these all of these things were kind of a part of you from day one. Yeah. I mean I've been rappings. I've been People who think this is crazy, this is true. I've been rapping longer than I've been playing football. Well, I've been rapping longer than I've been wrestling, you know what I'm saying, Like I've been wrapping sounds twelve years old. First line I wrote was on special Delivery, right, so like I'll never forget that. So it's like I've been doing that so long that it's always kind of been a part of that. Like musical theater is learning the art of performance, you know what I'm saying, Like that's where I honed my acting skills, which you need because sometimes, guess what, you don't feel great, But there's eighteen thousand people out there and they're here to be entertained. So go out and get it done, you know what I'm saying. Like the same thing, you know what I'm saying, Like the thirteenth day of training camp is a lot worse than the first, you know what I'm saying. So like so like you just gotta go out and get it done. Like the even going on to when the poetry that I was doing in Miami, like rap is literally rhythm and poetry, Like that's what it is. So it's like I was honing my own writing skills because now looking back all that time, like acting, wrestling, football, you know, basketball, other sports, other things that I do. Like, the one constant throughout that whole time is I'm always writing, like I'm in my spirit, I'm a writer and I write for other people. Like so it's like on the drive here, I was writing, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm constantly my brain does not shut off for I don't want to say scripture, but it don't shut off. So it's just constantly going. So it's like I've found a way to make that my life now, you know what I'm saying, Like I've found a way as a character to be able to put that over, how to be able to find a way to give the things that it is just God given that I never asked for, and it's part of how I make everything I do work. And that's why I feel like I'm more blessed than anything. I mean, it makes a lot of sense and it but the power of being able to utilize words, man, yeah, man, I'm telling you like words changed my life. So so with that being said, do you write a lot of your script you write your well the good thing that I and people don't know this, this might be the first time anybody ever hears this, but um ww's never wrote nothing for us like ever, Like they don't ask to the road, they never have. Um they never asked us what They've never asked us to say what they want to say, Like they'll tell you bullet points, this is what you got to get across. This is what we're trying to you know, sell, this is what we're trying to portray. But as far as what we say has always been us and that's directly from Triple hed. Like the first time we debuted as hit Ro, we were sending him vignettes for vignettes or like video packages for like character ideas, and we were sending him those for like a year before hit Row debuted on NXT right, so he saw what we could do with words and videos and he saw that already. So when we debuted our first day, we had a writer. I love the writer. He's a good person and he's cool, but like he wrote something for us to say, and we like kind of cleaned it up a little bit, but we were basically gonna say that we didn't know im, so we're trying to We're not trying to step on somebody's toes shot. So then he found that out I'm sorry. Triplates found that out that they wrote something for us, and he came, He's like, don't ever write anything for them, like let them say what they want to say, because we can't. He had this conversation personally, he knows he's not the one to try to say for me what I need to say. Voice you know what I'm saying, like he and it's not just me be fabist all hit Row and like he recognizes that. That's how he's a genius. That's why he's in the position he's head right, you know what I'm saying. He recognizes that. So since that day, everything that we've ever said has been us, which is cool. Like even when they give us promos, like all right, this is what we gotta do. This is like it will literally we've done promos with other people and it'll be like lines of what everybody has to say or what they want people to say, the like hit ro raps here what I'm saying, and then we just come up with what we're gonna do. What's everybody else saying? Like, well, damn, I mean, but their their thing is different. There's just speaking. They probably some people some people too, but it's more just they're just speaking like they don't want to write rhymes for us, you know what I'm saying, Like it would be it would be easy to tell. That's why they understand that, and that's why I appreciate everything that they do, because like I get to be authentically met. You said top dollars, just aj first has turned them to eleven. It is like, that's that's who I am. I go out there. I don't like over prepare for nothing. I don't like. I just know that when I'm out there, I'm gonna be a performer and everyone else out there is gonna have to try to outperform me. And if they do, we're all gonna rise. You know what I'm saying. Everybody's gonna be great. The whole situation is gonna be great. But you're gonna have to, man make sense. That's a lot, right, There's a lot right there, man, right. Yeah, And I'm not even I'm not even quite sure. You know, we'll go back to football, fall back, We'll go back little football. Yeah, you meant it earlier, you know, the Zaga College to high school and then you stayed home with the University of Maryland. Yep, it's cool with me, you know, being the big ten and it worked. State got myself, you know what I mean, shout out frankly, right, what's my guy? I know? Yeah he was was he he was office coordinated. When I was saying, right, it wasn't he was thank you, thank you. Guy goes to Penn State. That was killings every year. Yeah, well we did that when I played too. But then you so you mixed a little bit that the draft rolls around and uh, you don't get drafted, don't have having a party, you know what I mean, very embarrassing, but you like people to your draft party. You don't get drafted. It's very right. So yeah, like, yeah, we're talking about now burn not saying another word, but I know where you had it right there. But we've been there, we've been right. This episode cor correct. But you know, so free agency starts then in two thirteen, you know, free agency starts. What led you to the dolphin? You know, we're great, We're talking a little bit, and then I understand a few dollars. Yeah, top dollars, dollars, So that's why hilarious. My character's top dollars right now. But let me be here a year before I was in the NFL, I had negative money in my bank account. I was broke. I had no money. Everything I got was off pell grant. I had no bread. I couldn't get a job because I had no time. And when I did have a job, like it was ruining my sleep schedule because I was working security at a nightclub in DC and I wouldn't even get home till three four in the morning, and then I got to wake up at seven to go to breakfast and start my whole day. It was just it was not functional. Man, I would have loved I would have made someone. I wouldn't have been stuff one days. I wouldn't have got millions of dollars, but I'd got way more than I had. I'd have been able to expend some money out of it. But yeah, I was in my I was at my draft party and I was getting calls throughout the draft. The Saints called me. They were like, we're gonna even pick a d N or a d tackle and I think they drafted the d N from Princeton and I was like, that was like the first gut wrench. I want to say it was like the sixth round or something, maybe fifth then I realized that's what was going on, Like I wasn't going to get Like I could just see the writing on the wall. You get to the point where you hope you don't that point that's a myth. Yeah. People say, oh, it's better if you don't get drafted because then you can then you can go where you want, which is true. But if a team drafts you, even if it's in the seventh round, that is a that is an investment in you. A lot of players signed as undrafted free agents get zero dollars to sign, you know what I'm saying, Like, that is not an investment me personally, I was gonna go to Miami for five thousand dollars. That's my sign about us five thousand dollars to offer, I was like cool. I had other offers from like the Lions, the Chargers, the Giants, a bunch of different teams and day, but five thousands the most that I had offered at the time. So I was like, I'm gonna take it. And it's Miami. I've lived at Maryland my whole life. Let's go with it, right. So then my agent calls the Lions back and tells him he's gonna go to Miami. They offered him five thousand dollars, and they say, all right, well, we can offer seven thousand. And I'm like you, I've never had seven thousand dollars at right what I'm saying. So I was like, bad, let's do it. So he calls the Dolphins back and says, hey, he's gonna go to Detroit for seven thousand. They were like, we can do seventy five hundred. Oh my god, five hundreds side and don't ask them a question side for five hundred dollars. I made a completely life altering decision for five hundred dollars. But man, five hundred dollars. Back then it was I could lie to survive a month and a half or five. Yeah, you had that colleague experience, though spread around. I know exactly how much for a locals cost. I know exactly how much chicken sandwich just cast, so exactly how much the Shanghai one chicken and white rice costs. I know exactly how much these things cast. I'm telling you that's why I learned budgeting. I'm talking about going to school. Yeah, he's at seventy five hundred up until they start serving up the training table down man, and that was worth seventy five hundred alone. That's great. So all right, so you you get your five hundred dollars come up and then you come into camp. So let's talk about that that first year and really your entire career. Here Joe Philbin was the headman at twenty thirteen draft class in Miami. Is not one that will go down as one of them, you know, one of the most historic in this in this franchise's history. But let's talk about it. So, you know, there was a it started with a guy in your own position group with Deon Jordan's who was my roommate during camp? Was he really? Yeah? We were, so we were roommates during camp. He loved those fat Boy Ashking sandwiches. He loved those. Those are great. That's great. It was definitely like it was. It was definitely like, uh, I ain't a lot. It was like a little bit of a I don't want to It was like a mind twist. Oh that's not what I want to say, but I'm not. You know, I'm saying I got you. So he was, like, you know, he was he was high the third overall pay I'm saying his signing bonus was like double digit millions. You know what I'm saying. I'm broke, I'm and we're roomed together, so like and he was cool, like he he was cool to spend time when I spent a lot of time with him over there my time in Miami, and uh, you know, but it was weird because like I was going out there like busting it every day and like he couldn't even practice, you know what I'm saying. It was like it was just a weird dynamic. I was just like it really immediately like thrust you into this is the business of the NFL, you know what I'm saying, Like shared experience isn't It's not shared at all. You know, it's not shared. So but where were roommates and you know we got along great. You know, we put video games. It was cool. Like the difference is he was problems to him. He always bought them. I did. Never had the paper, no talking about the business in the NFL. So that was an interesting season because you were here and then I think you got through camp and then you were released. You were in New England for a hot second, and then you came back here and spent the next three years here. Yeah, it was funny because like that whole situation in New England was like the Dolphins were straight up with me and they were like, look, we want to keep you. We didn't expect you to be Frankly, they were like, we didn't expect you to be as good as you were. You know what I'm saying. They didn't know what they had when they had me because I went out that first preseason at ball. They thought they got to steal with that, and they was trying to stash during the practice squad, like they told me that I'm in the building. Yeah, I'm sitting in the locker room waiting to hear waivers with other guys that are in the same situation that they're trying to put on practice squad and they're like, all right to you meet and let's go. And we're like cool. And I get up and everybody's walking up. He's like, no, no, no no, you can't. And I'm thinking I'm getting cut, you know what I'm saying, Because you know some people, I'm thinking they're like, actually, we don't want to sign you just went through camp. People dropping like and I'm like, oh man, that's tough. And he's like, now you can't go. I'm like, what do you mean I can't go? He's like, you acclaimed off waivers and I was like I did, Like I knew I played good, but I didn't know that I knew I played good. I knew I watched Tate too, so I knew I had a good preseason, but I didn't know it was good enough for people to be something lo and behold it's Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick says, hey, brings me up to New England and they want to put me on the active roster. Now ended up only being for a week, and then I ended up spending three months on practice squad up there. But like Bill Bellett, you're I mean, Dolphins fans aren't gonna hear this, But as a fan and a rep someone who actually watches football, like Bill Belichick is a hell of a coach, you know. So so for him to be like, yeah, I want you was like a double confidence boost for me. You know what I'm saying. At that point, I'm like, oh, I had a great precession and okay, cool. So then that's why I really started believing, yo, I could really make a career out of this you know what I'm saying, Like before I believe in myself that I could get here, but you know how it is, Yeah, the funnel gets real tight when you get to the NFL. It's a lot of really good players in college, but when you get away, yeah, a lot of them. But it's sometimes that system, sometimes that right place, right time, sometimes that you got a dope quarterback in your receiver. You know what I'm saying. Like, it's it's different things that you get here and it's completely different, you know what I'm saying. So to be able to actually make a career out of it was amazing for me. Amazing. You know, you talk at a little bit about that rookie class that you talk about making it and all the vets that were around you with that, you think about the locker room, that D line with I think we had the best D line in the league. Have to be. We talk about guys like what name them? Cam Way, Randy Stars, Paul Solia, Olivier Vernon, Jared Odd, Van Martin, like the list goes on and on and on and on, Like Derek Shelby, Like like you know what I'm saying, Like Shelby was a bather Terence for day ended up coming there, like we end up having some guys, you know what I'm saying. Like so like it was really cool to me, even like Earl Mitchell came my second year, you know what I'm saying, Like he was deep and I was like learning from dudes that were dope, Like I was learning tricks of the trade. It's like I've been playing football in my whole life. You know, you know your coach. Your coach can tell you something fifteen times and if you believe him, you'll listen. But eventually, but like someone who is playing with you that is dope and they're like do this and it works, You're like, all right, So Randy starts. A Maryland guy took me under his wing, you know what I'm saying. Paul Soley I I used to. It was funny because like right when I got here, he had just got paid. Paul Soley I just got paid. So he was really like in OTAs he could we ain't got pants on. He could throw people around all day if he wanted to, you know what I'm saying, anytime he wanted to. But he's not out there doing that because he's not for lack of better terms of ass right, So like he's being a good person, but because of that, he was like he would have me as his backup and OTAs my kiere take all his reps, which at the time I didn't like. I did appreciate it because I'm going against the ones. I'm going against Pouncy, I'm going against you know what I'm saying, Like Richie, I'm going against Jared John Jerry, like I'm going against guys that are actively playing in the NFL. It's helping me get better in my game. But I was also taking my reps, so he knew that I understand that play too, right, So like he was, he was definitely doing his thing, but it was giving me ops, so like it was cool to go into those guys wing. And then the one that I haven't even mentioned yet who was the most influential of all him was Casey Rogers, the D line coach. Casey was the best coach I've ever had, Like he broke down D line play in a different way than I had ever had before or since, you know what I'm saying. And I played with a lot of really good D line coaches too, like Jim Tom Sula and Greg Gregor Tuso. But like, man, Casey's always saving I make millionnaires he did. Look at his track record, look at all the d lineman that played for him, They made money me my self inclusion, like like he was such a good part of that dude de line room too. Man, it was just great to learn. I feel like if I would have went to a different team, I wouldn't have been as good a player because I feel like I soaked so much in from that room, you know what I'm saying. And then even later in my career, I got to play with Sue in that room, so it was like, you know what I'm saying, Like I even got even more there. So it's just so when you, I mean, when you're making the decision. We know we talk about and kind of joke about five hundred dollars, but I mean it wasn't joked then, I'm sure. But did you look at who was on that Detroit roster before that too, in that position or it didn't even matter no, Like, but I mean, because you honestly got to a place where a lot of guys I knew the Dolphin, I knew the Dolphins d line was good because I followed her and he starts because I can say his marro, so like I knew that, and I knew can't wake. He can't wake. As another person that played in the w c C my high school conference, he went to state. Yeah, went to state and yeah he every time I get a step, wasn't being gator than couln't weave it in there? Good? So he but yeah, like learning from that room, like I feel like it just made me so much better. And when I was signing, I was honestly being just being honest. I've never even said this, but I was kind of intimidated, you know what I'm saying, because like I'm going into a room that's already stacked. How do you stand out? You know what I'm saying. How do you show that you can have something to offer? And I was just like every day, I'm gonna be as physical as possible. Right, I was like every day because I know, just through ot as I realized guys are gonna take it off sometimes think about it fowly. I kind of did you atholic? He did? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, right, I was like, man, he take I'm tired. I'm getting all these reps, but the coaches are watching me tired, go out against the ones right and performing. Yeah, it was the best thing you could have. Did you talk about a bet, I mean a young buck going into a veteran situation. How does that parallel with you going into the ref oh Man, Same thing. I learned from some of the best best wrestlers, Like I was mainly trained by like John Cruz who he's a wrestler. He also was by Schapentaco, like I was trained by Billy gunn M. I was trained at the Devon Triler. He was called Team three D at the time, but it's called Devon Dudley Academy now. I learned from Devon and a bunch of different guys that were there, and it was cool because like they're connected in the business. They are Hall of famers in the w W. Like they know a lot of people in the business. So like you're in there one day working with them, and then the next day Haku comes in, and you never know who's gonna come in. You know, you never know who you're gonna work with. And like wrestling in this business is all about making connections. That's the number one thing young wrestlers asked me all the time. They're like, how do I get into wrestling? I say, go to wrestling school and make connections. Your connections didn't get you farther than anything. The reason I'm in w w E is because my boy, Justin Leslie, who works used to do social media for NXT. Now he does social media for Hard Rock and MESSI right, he got me tickets to go backstage, I mean not backstage. He got me tickets to a private screening of the movie that came out about Page the wrestler and the rock produced the movie, and like all of NXT was there, and I met the head coach at NXT, met him, introduce myself. So st In the NFL said, I've been training for wrestling, said his names Matt Bloom said, I was gonna been training and already trying to get a tryout. But you know, it was just nice to make the connection, he told me, sending me email next day he was like, all right to try out some two months just like that. Like at that point, I'd only been training for three and a half months. So but I was like all right, cool, like other people would be like, oh man, I don't know if I can get ready. Yeah, I was like, I got two months and you know what I'm saying. I had that tryout in April. I'm telling you, I got that trialut in April of twenty nineteen. They told me in June of twenty nineteen they were gonna sign me, and then I signed in January twenty twenty and then right before the pandemic. So then everything went crazy. Help us because I don't I don't know the timeline. I don't know how that works. If you tell me what it took to go from being a high player to an NFL player, we understand what that. But that seems like it's really quick. It was so basically, I mean, I've been a wrestling fam my whole life. I know how it's supposed to look. I know what good wrestling looks like. I know when the crowd is interested in when they're not. You know what I'm saying. I've been in the crowd a lot of times at some of the biggest shows wrest so many in thirty thirty two, thirty three, thirty four, thirty five, Like, I know what it looks like. So like when I decided to go into wrestling. I knew that I had to get proper training from someone that was well connected in the business. That's why I went to Team three D in order to train with guys that were connected in the business. Because you can go train with somebody that is a good wrestler, they could be a great wrestler, they could be an amazing wrestler. If they've never worked in WWE, they don't know how to get there because they couldn't do it themselves. So I went and learned from people that were there and not just weren't there, but we're successful, right, So that's how I was trained. I was because there's different. People outside the bubble don't know this, but if you go to a WWE show, it's a very different show than any other wrestling show on Earth. And what makes it different it's a television show. Like it is made as a television show. It's not made for some of the you know, the biggest longest wrestling matches, you know what I'm saying, Like on SmackDown, usually the longest match of the night on SmackDown usually is no longer than fifteen minutes, you know what I'm saying Like, Usually sometimes there's they book crazy matches agreement, but usually the longest matches on SmackDown or like fifteen minutes. You go to a wrestling show anywhere else in South Florida, and I promise you every match will be longer than that. You know what I'm saying. So it's like it's it's it's you know what I'm saying. Like it's not even just a lot of work. It's more about the entertainment aspect. It's more about getting the crowd involved. Like it's more about not just us two standing here. We're producing a television show. You gotta worry about your cameras, Okay, you gotta worry about Okay, when I do this, Where am I gonna be? Where's the best shot? How can I make sure that it comes across to the two million people at the blocking? Literally blocking, Like one of the best things Shipple ever taught me was blocking, you know what I'm saying, Like where to be for certain things, how to stay poison, stay patient. Like one thing, if I give you a move boom, I'm gonna stand there for a little bit and then react to the crowd because it takes time for the reaction of what happened here to reverberate to twenty thousand people, and you gotta be able to play that with your ear, you know what I'm saying. That's also how you tell if something's not working right. Yeah, you don't get boomed. So like there's a it's a different art form. You have to learn that from people that have been there. Otherwise you come in because a lot of people come in and they're good wrestlers, but they don't know how to do what WWWE wants them to do, you see what I'm saying. Like Juso, he's in the main event of SummerSlam. After being a tag team guy for a decade, he's in a solo main event of Summer Slam against Roman Reins in a tribal combat for the ww Universal title. Right, Like that's what he's doing now. He's the one that always says, hey man, run the play, and it's crazy, just like football, hey man, coach might not call the play you want, but run the play, run to play, and he always he says all the time. And for ten years he was a tag team with his brother and they're probably the greatest tag team of all time. But now he himself is in the main event of SummerSlam. You know what I'm saying, Like, for a decade he ran to play until he finally got the ball. You know what I'm saying. Now, when you get the ball, you gotta run with it. And that's exactly what he did. So like, that's the transition for sure. So let's talk about something we discussed earlier, and your relationship with words and rhyme and poetry and rap. And because you know it's funny, we saw Troy Mauer coming in here, and Troy introduced us back in like twenty fourteen because we had this poetry program, still have the poetry program for the Jason Taylor Foundation. I saw in your bio loves poetry. Would you know you don't see that in defensive tackles and bios often not that you know, I don't want to paint any pictures, but you don't see it offense. I was like, oh, how and uh? And you came out to the office, we talked about it. We were going to do some work and then you know, life took you other places. Yeah, yeah, but we weren't zooming. It kind of made the whole thing different. Yeah, weren't zooming back then, but you, as you said, it's been a part of your license. You were twelve, but you brought it with you into Wwe talk about that and how you were able to, uh, you know, infuse rap and poetry into the whole top dollar and hit Row personality. And I love it. They give you guys a freedom to do it. It's cool because like that, I've been writing my whole life. You know, I've been rapping since I was twelve. So like being able to play a character in the show that I've always loved that is literally the perfect combination of my athletic ability and my other interests is like the coolest job ever, you know what I'm saying. Like It's like it's what I've always wanted to do. Even when I was in the NFL, I knew I was going to w W. Whenever I was done in my I have interviews with endless people in Miami talking about like that was always my plan. So like, if I didn't make it in Miami after my rookie year, that was the very next thing. It just got delayed a few years because it actually was success. I kind of like that, you know, because some people are going to be accountants or banker. He's he's already ready because I also know how WW recruits like, I know what they look for and former NFL is right up their alley, you know what I'm saying, So like whatever, yeah you can as Casey Rogers, you said you ain't gonn find that a Walmart, so so yeah, we're not just walking around. So I understood what I could bring to the table. So I was like, no matter when my football career ended, that was the next step was to get into wrestling. But like what the poetry stuff is, Like, I always thought slam poetry was so dope because it's really just rapped without a beat, and it's more like old school rap because it's storytelling, you know what I'm saying. So it's being able to like you come up with and some people still do to this day. But like you come up with a concept and you make something around that concept and then bring it full circle by the end, you're telling a story, right, And I always thought that was dope, And I still love going to slam poetry and I still do, like I appreciate good artistry in all genres, whether it's wrestling, music, poetry. One of my favorite things to do is go watch live music and I don't even know this person playing at this restaurant, but I'm here because I know he'll be here, you know what I'm saying, Like that's my thing. So like now to be able to do that as a persona like a bigger than life character or my favorite TV show that I had as a kid, SmackDown, you know what I'm saying, Like I grew up. The reason I'm here today is because of The Rock also Miami connection, Like like the Rock is I fell in love. I loved hoh Hogan as a kid, and then when he went to WCW, I was just always loyal to w W. I would still watch WCW, but like my main focus was WWE. So then I saw The Rock and I just loved him. Like from jump, everyone was changing Die Rocky Die at Rocky my V and I didn't understand why. I was like, what is your problem? I don't get it? And then you know he ends up becoming the biggest start in history wrestling, right, So it's like being able to be on his TV show that he named because he would lay the SmackDown on people and play this character that's really just a step of above my life. You know what I'm saying, Like, this is me, but it's me as a character, not me the person. That's the coolest part to me. And then you're writing all these things, you're actually being able to utilize that. The social media stuff is crazy, crazy and the fact they use it in the shows. How much is pre written? And how's your freestyle game? My freestyle games always do, always, always. But like the thing is, it's like when I pre write, if I know I'm doing something that's gonna be like like when I did Shape forty five with DJ who kids like, I recognized that was a gigantic opportunity. So yeah, I'm freestyling. But that's already here, right, This is a verse I've known for years and it's just sitting in the back of my mind. Reading got to get well if anything's sitting in the back of your mind before we uh we cut here, you know, we still have some more questions. I mean, I'm sitting here with the dolphins and like a shark man, we all swim. And you know, if you ever need top dolling, you got a lot of money on the line. All you gotta do is call him, we gotta meet. You know, there was something else and we talked about this a little bit too, that the part time Uber driver that came to my attack. Yeah, you know, which is crazy. It was something like of all the things that I've went viral for and done like it was, that was the one that I was like, didn't see coming right, just exploded, right. I couldn't believe what made you do it? Made I was broke before I got to like I got to the NFL twenty fifteen. I've only been in the NFL two years. You know what I'm saying. I started from zero, so it was either negative. Yeah, I started from absolute zero, you know what I'm saying, So like I went from that. I made good money my first year. But you know how it is, you don't really you get a like a perdem in the off season, but that ain't really nothing nothing. You can like nothing as an NFL player. You can live off like you're getting. There's people that work at banks that make fifteen hundred dollars a week, right, eighteen hundred dollars a week, So that's your perdem and off season and that's only during OTAs. You only get paid weeks one to seventeen eighteen. Yeah, you only get your full contract in that time. So like I made money then, but now it's January and I don't get another good check until September. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, yeah, you got a budget that through the whole time, and you can either be living off the money you made or you could be out there making more money. And during during I've only been in the league two years now, so I got some money saved up, but not nothing to I would have to work, but I'm done playing football for sure. So I was like, all right, we're done OTAs and stuff at like noon. You know, there's like three phases, right, so like the first phase you're done it like noon, the final phase you're done like four. Either way, it's not a long day, you know what I'm saying. And really most of it you're just sitting down and then yeah, you go work out. But then I was like, man, I'm trying to make some money. And that was right when that was right when Uber first got to Miami, to the point that like people were trying to stop it, right people people were petitioning to get Uber removed from Miami. I know I had to go to the city councils and all that, right, So I remember being there. So so I was like actively trying to make more money so that I could. Yeah, I don't mean I had enough money to live off of, but I was twenty four or twenty five years old living in Miami. You know what I'm saying, Like I want to have some money to spend too, right, So so back then, you could really make on one drive from fourth part of the day to Miami, you could easily make like fifty bucks. That's what you make, not the rate, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what you could make. So it was like I used to be out there just rhyding people around, and then it blew up when I talked about it. So it was so crazy because like it was like a punchline on Jimmy Fallon. Yeah, and to this day there's some offensive players on that team that are not a fan because the joke that he said was like it was I can't, I don't want to. He was like he said, oh yeah, And you know another news like Dolphins JJ Francis Uh started driving fober blah, blah blah. He was like, and it was like the first time the Dolphins Jophins just drove from ten yards all game, all year, and I don't play off all that hilarious. I'm like, that's hilarious. Then he went back to the locker and then the next day some j like I ain't read the joke. Yeah, you gave him material, that's not all that's too funny. That's funny. Now you still have your credensals. Nah I need him. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't if I really wanted to, I really could, Like, they still have me some decisions. I didn't get enough for that. The press that I garnered. I don't feel like I was properly conversatd but we were talking about that in another day. I'm a big step. Would you imagine the top ballads scooping you up? Man? Yeah, I'm trying to get a ride dollar pole. And that was That's why I showed how to do that. I did. I did it, and I was interviewing people. I even interviewed Olivier Vernon. It was like I did like ten episodes interviewed. It was some famous people. I did, Billy Corbyn, uh, some famous people in Miami and then just like random people that I would pick up and I was just interviewing them, and the content team is getting all kinds of ideas back on your love that I'm down. Oh that's good. That's good. So, uh, you know you talked a lot already about what it meant to make it into w W and the Dream and but you were drafted in the SmackDown in your hometown. Yeah, so not only to get on your favorite TV show not only idolized, but it was in Baltimore. It was Destiny. It was really it was like it was funny because like before the draft, before I even knew the draft was that day, I go up to John Lornitius, who was handling the dark matches at the time, and uh, I'm like, look, I could have did it way a better way, but you know, I just like I gotta be me. So I was like, look, man, I'm in here for like a year. I see all these other people getting dark matches. I'm doing something really good right now with Hero Like can I get a dark match? Like my hometown is Baltimore, Like that would be cool? And he was like the hometown's Baltimore. He was like, yeah, all right, cool, we'll do that. So I was already planning to go for that. Then we found out like two weeks later that it was gonna be the draft that night, and in my mind, I'm like, man, the draft in Baltimore, Like that would be cool to get drafted. Hometown family there. Yeah, I was like like twenty members of my family there. So it was like I was like, man, that would be real cool if you would do that. Nice to be able to get a draft over again. Yeah, is that to change league and to change leagues get drafted. I've been drafted twice. It's like that that's two more times that we got drafted in so so so like when I was I was like, maybe it'll happen. Maybe, you know, maybe the stars are aligned. And the more like we got closer to day, I just kept getting little hints from people and I was like, man, this might become But even still day of in the arena, still don't know what's gonna happen. And the only reason we found out is a true story. Nobody knows this. We were walking down the hallway going to take pictures and one of the executives from Fox was like all right, welcome to the team. We're gonna be He's like, going to the team, we're gonna be getting you in touch with the writer so you guys can talk about, you know, ideas that you have going forward to her. And we're all like, do you know something that I don't know? Clearly they were like I told you, Like nah, he was like, oh, well, well yeah, you're gonna be on SmackDown. And we're like wow, We're like, oh, thanks, that's amazing, like thank you, and then he walked away and then he got We go around the corner and we're like, oh my god, did that really just happened, right, because in our mind we're like, yeah, it'd be cool to get drafted tonight, but we don't really know. And to their credit, like they tried to keep it a secret because even after that, nobody told us. We found out like when we got drafted, that was for real, you know what I'm saying. So it was like so there was still a little doubt. Yeah, okay, because if you ask anybody in WW, things change all the time, like it can change, it can change the day of that quick like it's just part of the business. And you being a professional is being able to make that work. Run the play, Run the play. What I'm saying, run to play for sure. You know, I want to know how much time you've had to basically invest in the development of Top Dollar, from like the creation of the name music videos of course your crew hit hit row to even your signature moves that you've developed. How much time were able to put into that part of your development. To be complete honest with you, I've been doing that my whole life. Yeah. So, like, like I said, my goal was to be in WWE, I came up with the idea of it wasn't called Top Dollar, but I came up with the idea of this character in like twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, my boy has these crazy parties and one of the things he does at the parties sometimes is he has wrestling shows, right, crazy crazy mansion parties in Florida. And one of the things he does is a wrestling show sometimes, and he was having one and he was like, Yo, I'm on the wrestling show. At this time, I didn't know my NFL career was over for sure, but in the back of my mind, I'm like, man, this might be it. You know what I'm saying, I'm still training, still getting calls for tryouts, you know what I'm saying, like trying to go work out with specific teams. This is during the season. I'm like still available. So I'm like, all right, because I come to the wrestling show. I go out there and at the time of my life that night, I came up with idea because ever since I started shaving my head and have this beard when I wear red, people think that I'm a Sugar Night. That's just it really started after it really started off after the Straight Out of Competent movie came out, because I kind of looked like Sugar Knight, but I definitely looked like the guy that played Sugar Night in the movie, you know what I'm saying. So I took that idea and I was like, all right. I was like, Sugar Night is an imposing character and it's exactly what I'm envisioning for myself, right right. So I'm like, that's that's it. My character's name became sugar Bear because that's what should I used to be called as a kid. He called Sugar Bear, and my crew was called the Row. Okay, you know what I'm saying, Like I was right on the nose with it. You created this. This was just the concept concept. I'm wrestling at this show for the first time in twenty eighteen at this party, and I'm wearing a death Row T shirt and a death Row chain, and I come out with big glasses and I'm I'm sugar Bear, and I win the Battle Royal to become the number one contender, and I go in the back and the guys who had been wrestling for ten years at that point, they're like, oh, so, you know, where'd you train. I'm like, oh, nahber I've never trained, Like, this is my first match. They were like, oh, so this is like your home promotion, like you this is where you work. I'm like, nah, this is my first time I've ever done this. They were like, that was your first time. I was like yeah. They were like because I did little things that I knew, like a little dude tried to pick me up and I like didn't let them. And that's like a big thing and wrestling, like if someone much smaller than you tries to pick you up, you don't let them right, Like you might let them later after you showed that they can't do it right, but you did the first time a little person tries to pick you up, you cut that off, right. I know that though as a fan, so like I did that and they were like, man, like that was I didn't know that you would be ready to do that. And I'm talking to them, They're like, I'm not telling you what to do, because at this point during the conversation they heard that I'm still training trying to get back in the NFL. It was like, but you should probably look into wrestling school. And it was like, in my brain, it was like, why am I not in wrestling school right now? This is what I wanted to do my whole life, you know what I'm saying. So like, immediately now I got the character, I got the plan. I got a place that I can wrestle whenever I want. And then like I go to wrestling school, I start training and then I'm just testing out ideas for what eventually became Hitro. I'm just testing them out, my ideas in front of a live audience. So I was working on these characters, and I'm working on these ideas stuff I can do, and I'm in red every day every day. I'm wearing red. My car's read I literally bought a red Car like character. So then I get to WWE, and I have this idea of this character, but I don't have like a group of people to make it with. Yes, so I'm doing my own thing. And then there's got named Kats. He put me together with Brianna b Fab and Tahudia chant the Adonis, and the three of us created what is now hit Row, but it was Row, but it was called bub Row, and we changed it to hit Row and we did that for you know, a year, and then they added a swerve to our crew right before we debuted, and the four of us debuted as hit Row. Now that whole time, I'm also still working out the kinks because now I went from doing it in front of a one hundred and fifty people at somebody's house to now in NXT, I got to do it in front of five hundred wrestling fans. That's a completely differ. But you're literally like producing this whole thing. Yeah, that's yeah, I mean it's no, you have to. That's how that's how you know it's real. That's how. That's why it works because like nobody is forced feeding anything, you know what I'm saying, like, wrestling fans can tell when you are not being you, if you're trying to do something that is not you, they can tell. They've seen everybody, They've seen everything. There's not anything like we're not new as rappers. We were just new as like a rap group, right, you know what I'm saying, Like that was what we brought. But how many is it a common thing that someone shows up into that world and they literally have produced this whole concept of character storyline on I mean not really, because a lot of times some people don't have the ability to create that character. That's why Vincent Man is important. That's why Triple Hi is important. That's why these other people who their job is how can I use this person in the show? Right? That's what I kin that I think it's yeah, some people and I'm not the only person that pretty much created but you got to have like everything that Roman Rains does is like he's like, this is what I want to do. And that's why it's the greatest storyline of all time with the bloodline right now, because it's authentic, you believe it. It makes sense. They're good actors, they're good wrestlers, they're great performers, know what I'm saying. So like it just builds and builds and builds, and now all of a sudden, you're like, wow, I can't take my eyes off this, right, you know what I'm saying. You know, that's a very interesting because you know, you think about it, your development of your character and all that you've done to develop your character. I mean, it's it's interesting me because the rest of the world always hasn't been very kind to men of color sometimes, what I mean. And you know, and it's it's interesting timeline talking about how you've developed yours at least. Man, So, how's the field they give you? That that freedom that rain to develop this dude, It's awesome, That's what I'm saying. It's it's pure belief in us. Like we do a lot of times with it called dark matches, where it's the first thing the paying public right for the show. It's not on TV, but it's the first thing they see. Your job is to go out there and get the crowd excited for the next people because the show's about to start, and the crowd's got to already be up and ready to go when the show start. It's like almost before the opening end literally like so it's like it's this is you. You gotta get them going, like here you go. And they give us the ball and they said, they said, what do you want to do? And they said, all right, let us talk for two minutes, hit the music of whoever you want us to face tonight and come out and we'll make magic. And that's like, that's a big responsibility. But they never ask us what we're gonna say, right sometimes to the point that we say something and then we're getting the back and they're like, hey, turn it down a little bit bad. So like but they give you the ability to tow the line. They give you the opportunity to be like, go do it. And then we've done it so many times with so many different talent, and it's like at the same time, you're sharpening your sword the whole time, shoving your sword. So when you finally get that who like when we did the one in Madison Square Garden with La Knight that would completely viral. La Knight is on top of the wrestling world right now, so we were giving an opportunity to do a segment with La Knight, who's on top of the wrestling world in Madison Square Garden as the first thing the people heard when Madison Square Garden show started was the hit row interest music. Like that is a huge opportunity. So like some people don't take advantage of those opportunities. I'm never not going to take advantage of an opportunity ever. That's why that's why I'm here. Now, that's why I got to the Dolphins, Like I'm I'm going to make take advantages. Like I don't live in I don't live in Miami no more. I could, but I don't live in No More, right, like I live in Orlando. But you had this idea you wanted to do this. I was like, man, yeah, I can definitely come down like I would have video call and I didn't want that. Yeah. I think that's probably why, you know, you mentioned a little bit about triple wights. Be yourself. Yeah, you know, because yourself as well. We're looking for because nobody can be you know. And and the cool thing is like he knows that. That's the cool thing to me is that like the first video I ever sent him because you know, he's the boss. So like I grew up idolizing that dude. Like what I'm saying like DX is like a big part of my childhood. So like be able to like be on that kind of basis with him is crazy to me from Jump Street. But then for him to be like yeah, like don't don't write for them, like let them do this, Like he the first time I sent him a video, he showed it to Stephanie and then I had a video conference call with them and they were talking about how much they loved it, like that was the first thing you've seen. So like that was March twenty twenty, you know what I'm saying. So now we're three years later, like proof is in the pudding, Like he I just love too. We were just talking about Joe Philbin and Randy Starts and Karl Wait and he's like, yeah, it's triple H And he called Stephanie and that I mean, just like these circles. That getting very great. So I got two quick things and then we got a quick segment that we're going to get through here. But SummerSlam, I mean here it's a boy, it is hot. It is hot right now? Yeah, what's going on with Summer Slam? Summer Slam? It's uh in Detroit, Michigan, it's gonna be packed, probably the biggest Summers Slam of all time. Like I said, um, that's it might be the culmination of the bloodline storyline that's been going on three years. I don't know of another storyline that's ever lasted this long, like between Jay Uso and Roman Raine's like and and you know Jim Muso is involved in Solisicoa and Paul Hayman like there there's and even Sammy's and Kode Rose, these guys, they're all part of the storyline going along. But like the fact that you know, Roman is in the main event of SummerSlam with his cousin, and they cultivated this whole thing. They put the work in, they made made sure it got deeper, more in depth, both the web to be able to create it to this point where like you're gonna sell out a gigantic arena with your family member right across the street, like right across the ring from you. And it's also not the first time they've done that, you know what I'm saying. So it's like they do it every single time. Mother were in London, where we're in Cardiff, whether we're in Puerto Rico, it doesn't matter, like for now to have the opportunity to have the biggest party in the summer in Detroit, and you know, Detroit's the cool city that almost went there, cool city I almost looking for seven times. It's much better in the summer than the winter. I'm saying better. So it's in this you know, some slaves there. It's gonna be a good time. Okay, get over that, all right. And the other thing is we just saw they rolled out the newest series of w W E Action figures. So San Diego Comic Con, they roll these things out and you're seeing, you're seeing figures. Hok, Hogan's got a figure in there, seeing some all timers and there he is Pioneer City across a figure it's coming up. What does that mean to you as the kid who at three years old was telling your dad how many kickouts there had to be to have action figure that kids can go buy at, you know, at the toy store or whatever it might be. And you're repping Pioneer City. It means everything to me. Man. It's like my whole family has been around Pineer City pretty much my whole life. Like my Nana still goes over there. So it's like there's not a lot of good representation of Pineer City. If you google Pine your city, You're gonna get crime rates, You're gonna get a murder stories, You're gonna get robberies. That's what you're gonna find if you google Pine your City. But I'm changing that narrative by being able to represent something good for an area that is full of good people, but they just lack opportunity and even like smaller. But it's not just me, Like my cousin Kyle, he owns Tunnel Vision. He just a new basketball court in the back of me village and now they do like a summer league out there. And it's like we're actively trying to change the narrative of the community that we came up in. And for me to be able to walk in to Walmart or Target or any big brand and see an action figure of me and it looks great. By the way, possibly can't afford but to have punch because now, like you know, I understood, like every character has to grow, Like if I'm really the hero CEO, you know what I'm saying, Like I need to have hit roll across my chest. So all my jersey now I have hero across my chest is where I have this hero chain, right, So, like I understood that growth. But when I first started wrestling, I just wanted to rep where I was from. I wanted to show the people. That's what I'm saying that you can do something too. You don't like, you can do something, make something of your life, And I'm able to do that with the Action Figure. Proof is in the pudding. I got you right here, like you know what I'm saying. And it was cool when it was on SmackDown too, Like that was cool too, like don't get but like the Action figure just takes it next level because it's like something attainable that they can see and look at it and be like I cannot believe this is really exist and it does. That's that's so cool And it looks great. Yeah, if you didn't know, Stae, I love it. How many UDFA defensive linemen have Action figures? Man talk about it? Probably nothing? Yeah, got a couple point at point that's a bubbleheads. But it's so cool. All right. I know these days you know more about three counts than two minute drills. But we're gonna take you back, you know, to your your former life as a football player and throw some some quick hitters at you and a little you know, fifth tank two minute drills. All right, crew's gonna put up a couple minutes on the clock. All right, you're the most recent Miami Dolphin turned professional wrestler. But do you know who was the first one? No, I do not, But if I had to gas some from me like kim Bo Caamper, I love that. Yeah. Yeah, Keith Wahoo McDaniel six sixty eight favor, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I didn't know he was on the dollar. I did not know that. That's a linebacker w W Hall of Famer. Now, okay, so, as a wrestling historian who does top dollars, say is the greatest wrestler of all time the rock and because wrestling is all about and wrestling is all about getting the audience involved, and nobody doesn't better. All right, Big Seth mentioned a few times you dabbled in music theater in high school. Between Guys and Dolls, West Side Story or Annie. Okay, what was your greatest stage performance? Oh man, it would have to be I'm saying God, I would say I would say Guys and Dolls because I had a bigger role, and like you know, I could say West Side Story because I was Officer Kroke and there's a whole song about me. But but I'm gonna say guy. I would say big Julian West Side Story, West Side Story, I gotta I mean and guys and dolls. I had a bigger role. So I'm saying did you saying did you get up there and sing? Of course I was. I was always up there saying that man. And I always had to play an adult role because I'm with people my age, but compared to them, I look like an adult long at that age, and in high school. My first day of high school, I was like six three two seventy. It's too funny. Okay, last question. If hit Row expanded the roster for one more member, but it had to be one of your former Miami Dolphins teammates, who would you add to the row man, I would definitely add Dolphins teammates, or do d Linement want of any Dolphins teammates? Then I would probably I could say Earl Mitchell because he's really big into wrestling. He's a big wrestling fan. But I would probably actually say Paul Soliot because if I add somebody to the crew and they're big. They got to be bigger than me. I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm already big, so they're big. They gotta be bigger than be so he can wrap. You don't have to just stand back there. I see those guys don't stay right yeah, back just here. I love it. Oh that is too funny. Earl Mitchell's probably pissed you just gave up this spot, but he'll be all right. He definitely can't get them tickets to the show. Tickets to the show. Well, he is a J. Francis, otherwise known as top Dollar, and man, it was so awesome to have you in the fish. A lot of fun. This one was a lot of fun. And who had it in top Dollar? Not thanks for diving in top dollars, appreciate you. I'm gonna swimming. You're now diving down with steth and this is strictly for them number one. One. Of course, this ain't theest was tough diver been that pitch tank. Don't get show I got on yet, kind of never been that patch tank. It's on the legend that we're talking when you never been that patch tank, rocking well, old chain and Seth fool. We never been that patch tank. I'm benver at the tun but I'm down hard. Celebrate big or cry hard. Leave it out on the field. We're gonna try hard. Old school a new school, mixing in feeling like we're up close when we listened in Dolphins tales. 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