Chip Namias Unfiltered: Inside the Marino Era, Shula's Wrath & a Missing Dolphins GM

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't think twice about it and he was kind of a, you know, an odd figure at that time, so they didn't, they've just kind of shrugged it off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but so then we could pass a Super Bowl now where, you know, scouting combine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Draft, no microbe, I mean, this has been months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The general manager of the Miami Dolphins has been missing for like five months and no one has written about it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Welcome back to the Fish Tank presented by Van Horan Law Group and Casabella Design Group, Seth Levitt and the toughest podcast or dammer.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You know, ever played with, he is O.J.

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[SPEAKER_08]: McDuffie Juice.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You got a different one today, but I think it's going to be a really fun one.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Man, it's going to be so much fun, big sad.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we always talk to these athletes that play the game or do some things like that, but people really never know some of the things that go on behind the scenes behind the scenes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, athletes say they keep it close to the vest.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They don't tell us a lot of stuff, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But when you get here, some things that are from behind the scenes, like, you know, before we got on, we talked a little bit about Harvey Green,

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[SPEAKER_05]: We've always talked about that duck on the water, you know what I mean where he's like looking all smooth and stuff underneath all those little legs You know, we're gonna have some fun with this one because we're gonna learn things that even I now being the dolphins Fan back in the day are gonna.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna learn a lot today.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's for sure

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[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I love that you mentioned Harvey Green, and you know, I love a good PR person's story, but before there was Harvey Green, before there was Ann Nolan who was doing a great job there now, before there was Eddie White who we need to get on the show at some point, there was this guy, and it's Chip Namius.

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[SPEAKER_08]: If the name Chip Namius doesn't jump out to you, it means that you just weren't following PR people for the Miami Dolphins back in the early 80s.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So think Killer B's, think both Dolphins Super Bowl's in the 80s, think damn Reno, all of this stuff,

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[SPEAKER_08]: even though you might get a fine here for, you know, you're a rival time, we are very excited to have you in the fish tank.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Good to see you guys.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's going to be great.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And I love that you were just saying, so what a tight knit group the Miami Dolphins are.

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[SPEAKER_08]: The last time you know, Jay McDuffie were together, you sat at the same table at the grand opening for Kim Boe campers catching cut restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I mean, it's talk about a family.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the the awkward

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[SPEAKER_08]: And he did say aquan orange.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I get it juice.

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[SPEAKER_08]: He got it right orange before aquat times.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we can talk about that chip because this dude.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's the orange because you always think about the Florida orange big Seth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know to me in the gator orange.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my gator is heavy on the rest.

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[SPEAKER_08]: What is my type of bangles head orange?

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[SPEAKER_08]: My fair middle bears head orange.

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[SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, orange runs.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, orange first man.

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[SPEAKER_06]: We got to get off of that.

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[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Like two good two good.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I was like, I don't think he's going to read the damn thing.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I got to y'all'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's all me, Chip.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's all me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So, Chip, if I think about your chin, you're as the Dolphins PR man and that window of 82-86, I actually y'all'm drawn to the 84 season because that's when the man, Dan, the man, reinvented off into football.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I didn't get to Miami until 93 and traveling with Danny was like, man,

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[SPEAKER_05]: He was a rock star, be honest with you, but I cannot imagine what it was like for, you know, when, you know, his fresh face came and in the hottest name and all the sports doing something that the NFL had never seen.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What do you remember from those days and what kind of impact then he success specifically and that's a tough work for me specifically.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And the overall team's excess have won your job.

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[SPEAKER_05]: What did it?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What did do for your for you and your job?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, when we when we first drafted Dan, we were coming off a super bowl with David Woodley is the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Dan's first year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had no impact.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wasn't playing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And hard to believe now, but no one ever from the media ever talked to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I distinctly remember two different times where I went up to a couple of the beat writers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: during the practice weekend said, but you guys just go in and even if you're not going to use it, talk to Dan Marino because no one ever talks to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a first-round pick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel sorry for him because nobody ever talks to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that hard to believe that that actually happened, but it did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know then the the famous first game when when Dan started his first game when she'll have finally decided to make the move it was a home game against buffalo and the reason I remember that game we lost the game 3835 I believe was a score but Danny played great

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that game was also a game where Dave Schuler, who was the receiver's coach, his wife went into labor a few hours before the game and Dave had to make a decision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is now back in the 80s, not like things are now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Dave decided he would leave his wife Leslie to have the baby by herself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he would coach the game, which he did, and of course the rest is history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, then the phenomenon of Danny in 84.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it just became crazy back in the days when newspapers had national writers and they would send them on the road to cover the hot story in the league and we were overwhelmed with the request for Dan when he hit he hit big and we had you know 20 30 national writers coming in every week and

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[SPEAKER_02]: back at the old dolphin facility, which is we know was a dump over at Biscayne College then later St.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thomas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a bare bones locker room and there was a pool and Danny would do his national interviews in a group by the pool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it looked a lot better than it really was, but he just exploded and then that season was a whirlwind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was it was it was

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[SPEAKER_08]: Whose choice was it to do the the interviews by the pool was that you chips and hey, let's let's make it look like South Florida's glamorous place

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you didn't want to do in the locker room because that was a dump and the locker room but it out onto a gravel parking lot, and you don't want to do it there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and our weight room is people may not know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The dolphins back then didn't even have an indoor weight room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a couple of barbells outside by the pool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, the pool was really the, the, the only option.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I heard about that quote, unquote, wait room.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I love when guys who are like hardcore lifters, like Lewis Oliver's story, the first time you went there was hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And the weights apparently from being outdoors and being by the pool were all rusted and they want a bunch of games.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Guess what?

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[SPEAKER_08]: Hard to believe.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Man, there's so much that I could ask you right now, and I want to ask you, but let's take a breath for a moment and discuss how you landed the job as the head of publicity for the Miami Dolphin.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I know you were with the strikers first.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Was that what was Thomas wrong in with the strikers when you were there was that the Thomas wrong in there was a couple blocks from me.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It's crazy to me that he coached at like south plantation high school and all that, you know, and they made movies about him going over to it's just the whole thing as wild and so, you know, we again all roads leaving the Harvey Green Harvey story of how he became the Dolphins PR director is this epic battle between George Steinbrenner and Joe Robby and you know and of course with Harvey it's always it's just this dramatic thing what was that process like for you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had gone to the University of Florida and I had worked in the old North American soccer league, which some of your older viewers and listeners may remember, and I was on my third team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had worked for the Memphis Roaks and the Tulsa Rough Decks, and I had been hired as the PR director for the strikers who were

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[SPEAKER_02]: owned by the Robby family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the dolphins at that time had a PR director named Dick Horning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they also had a director publicity named Charlie Callahan, who was an older guy probably in his 70s at the time, who'd been a legend as a PR guy at Notre Dame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was an old friend of Joe Robby's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Charlie was the PR director for Coachula and the team out at the practice facility according only state at the downtown office and was the head PR guy but he handled it administration stuff downtown while Charlie was interested in every day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Charlie was getting a little bit longer than the tooth and so with Joe Robby being let's say a little on the

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[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of break me in as the PR guy at camp with the older Charlie and so I was doing that while still being the PR director for the strikers it was the Sucker off season at the time.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So the robby zone the strikers is that right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: They got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was down there working with Charlie Callahan and learning the ropes and about three or four days after I'd started the 1982 player strike was called and so

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[SPEAKER_02]: everything stopped for several weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were no replacement players that year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were just no games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nine game season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe the Dolphins went seven and two that year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when we came back from from the strike, the very first game was the Dolphins playing a Monday night game against the Buccaneers in Tampa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was a whole story under itself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to answer your question, I worked the rest of that season and the Dolphins ended up going

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[SPEAKER_08]: and things where don't get through it I want to hear that story so you are how old how old when you you are essentially being groomed to become the head PR guy 25 to 25 I mean you're a friggin kid I was let's see what the 96 I was 23 when I was an intern you're 25 the head PR guy

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[SPEAKER_08]: you know, well, they haven't even drafted marino yet.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So that in the self is crazy, but you are telling me some of that story of your first experience being a PR person.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You got to share it because Zeus is going to love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had essentially never really been to an NFL game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had barely met the players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had only really worked there for five days, three days pre-strike, and then six days, three days leading up to the first game out for the strike ended.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they tell me I'm traveling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm just working with Charlie Kelly and I'm not the guy yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just the striker's PR guy on loan to the dolphins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they tell me you're going on the plane with the team to to Tampa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm on the plane and somebody comes over and sits next to me on the plane and says oh tomorrow morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to go to the Bay Harbor Inn in Tampa, and it's and represent the dolphins at the network production meeting with the ABC Monday night crew, which then was Howard Kossel, Frank Gifford, and Don Meredith, famous producer and director, Jeff Fordy, and Bob Goodrich, and I'm like, what is a production meeting?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know what that was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Were your listeners and viewers may not know that's when all the network people meet with the PR guy and you give them information about the team and it gives them anecdotes and info for the broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't even know what I'm going to be doing at this meeting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they said, oh, it's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just check with the trainer and get an injury update and come up with some anecdotes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like anecdotes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never even seen this team play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've only met Coachula one time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know any anecdotes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got index cards and I went through the media guide and it was so amateurish I'm writing down notes on index cards and, you know, like

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I walk into the room and it's this long table with like 40 people in there, importing Kosell wearing sunglasses with a three foot unlit cigar in his mouth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's so good for being done, Meredith, and I'm a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know nothing, and I'm intimidated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was this big spread of food, a natural and untouched.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I later found out that the entire crew was told, no one can touch the food until the dolphin PR director has finished his

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now nobody even wants me to be there because they just want to eat so I'm going through my index cards and I'm saying just like obvious things that I don't even know you know, it's embarrassed from Ohio, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think I'm saying, oh, and we have the blackwood brothers, Glenn and Lion, and their brothers, if they blow out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, suddenly there's this booming voice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't do a good Howard Kossal, but he just goes, young man, nobody here cares about the blackwood brothers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Move it along.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just skipped to the last card and say something real quick, and I go, that's how I've got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as I said, that's how I've got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It had been a totally quiet, pristine atmosphere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was the only one talking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I said that's how I got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Suddenly, 40 people believed out of their chairs and made a B-line for the food.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was there to like, authentically pack up my belongings and link out of the room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm packing up my briefcase and I'm getting up to go up and like no one is even noticing me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a footnote that I was ever even there and as I get up to leave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: this arm drapes around me and I look up and it was a very tall Howard Cossell and he put his arm around me says you're a Jewish kid, aren't you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, yes, sir Mr. Cossell and he said, that's what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A Jewish kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is my private number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone gives you a hard time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You call me and he says, you're going to do great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A Jewish kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to do great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I slink out of the room, and that was my introduction to the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my God, let's say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end of that season, they, they moved me and maybe the director published a PR for the dolphins and, and that's how I got the job.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's that's way too dreadable.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's way too good.

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[SPEAKER_05]: there's so much in that right there big stuff to even talk about man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, obviously, you know, you're taking over the job in 82 and then there was a strike season as well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You talked a little bit about the killer beesmen and that defense.

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's also the woodstock, the two-headed monster and heck, you know, quarterback at that point and, you know, and you said

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[SPEAKER_05]: The dolphins end up going to the Super Bowl, Super Bowl 17 at that point.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That is your first season in NFL.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what the hell?

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[SPEAKER_05]: What a hell of a ride that was right there, Chip.

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[SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when we got off the bus at the Super Bowl and it was at the Rose Bowl and I saw the big Rose Bowl stadium with the sign.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went over and had my picture taken in front of the Rose Bowl because at that time I go, I may not only ever be back here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I may never be working another NFL game after this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got to have something to prove that I was here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, we've had AJ do a, and we were talking a little bit about AJ, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: One of the all-time characters, obviously, in Dolphin's history.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I got a story on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess he had a bit of a stir after appearing on the Bob Hope Super, so talk about that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we were at the at the Super Bowl on AJ, of course, it had the three interceptions on the AFC Championship game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So during the week before leading up to the Super Bowl, Bob Hope back then had an annual Super Bowl special and NBC, there was a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got a call that they wanted AJ to appear on the Super Bowl special with Bob Hope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was taping on, I think Wednesday

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing that Shula gave permission because they were going to pick AJ up in our hotel, which was a new port beach and drive them to where they were taping in Pasadena, which if you know something California, that's probably an hour and a half drive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Shula must have been

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[SPEAKER_02]: He must have been sleepwalking at the time I asked him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he said, OK, so a limousine came to pick us up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was me, AJ, and Francis, AJ's wife.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we went to Pasadena and they brought us right into Bob Hope's dressing room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where Bob Hope was not yet dressed or in makeup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't exaggerate when I tell you without makeup, Bob Hope was unrecognizable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had no idea that was him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was, I don't know, he may have been in his 80s at that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the classic story was on the way back, we've got to drive and I want to have that to Newport Beach, and it's kind of late at night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: AJ was hungry and nothing was really open but there's a fast food chains people may be familiar with it's mainly on the west coast called Jack and the box and they just engineered the first drive through window no other fast food chains Jack and the box invented the drive through window and so we didn't ever see it before it was like you know like another planet to us how cool would that be

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we go to the jack in the box because it's the only thing open.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the limousine pulls around to go to the drive for window, but it was so long, the limousine that we couldn't get the right angle to talk into the clouds now for the jack in the box, AJ gets out of the car in full tuxedo and he doesn't he's never been to a drive through window.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't know you just talk naturally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You literally in a tuxedo puts his head down the clouds mouth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of the jack in the box drive through, and it's like, is if the clown is in there, tell him what he wants, like, which was like eight hamburgers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got his head in the box.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't even see his head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just see a Tuxedo body down, and that's our first experience on a drive through.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's too good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Why would AJ, is it always a food story, just like always told the pork chop, parmesan's going to hold on our chicken parmesan.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, so funny about you know, so funny tip too is like a decade later.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I was on on Bob Hobbes all American team 10 years later.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They told us not to touch Bob don't get close to Bob because Bob was getting up there and he said he's in his 80s.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He had to be in his 90s when I saw him a decade later.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's crazy wild

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[SPEAKER_08]: too good.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And I love the production meeting story because I choose my, you know, my production me.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Well, first of all, there's so much, and I know I'm jumping backwards, but the fact that Howard was the guy that kind of, you know, if you weren't nervous to start with, you probably were damn near wet yourself after he spoke up, but then at the end he's the guy that

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[SPEAKER_08]: kind of takes down to his wing, which I thought was really sweet, but, you know, my production meeting experiences, if we, if Harvey, excuse me, of Neil or myself were in the production meeting long in a three minutes party would look at us like, what in the hell are you doing here?

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[SPEAKER_08]: You know, on anybody else in there, but he haven't been who was supposed to be there, and he would send Neil and I into the hotel rooms of whoever the next two guests were.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I'd be sitting

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[SPEAKER_08]: waiting for the head coach to leave and he kept us rolling and the last thing he wanted was us sitting in there, I guess touching any of that food, so maybe that's what it was, too funny.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So 1982 again, Super Bowl, all that great stuff, but there was another famous, or perhaps we should say infamous moment that took place in 1982, and that was the snow plow game.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And so the great thing about when you book a PR guy as your guest, he spoon fed us all the stories.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I don't have to do any research.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Chip, do you have any good stories?

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[SPEAKER_08]: And he just sent me a novel of Dolphins history, which is fabulous.

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[SPEAKER_08]: But one of the things in our exchange chip that you said was,

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[SPEAKER_08]: You listed the behind the scenes reaction.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Coach Shula had to the moment where Patriots had coach and he didn't write all this out, but just for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_08]: If you're not familiar with this no-plow game, so Ron Meyer was the head coach of the Patriots.

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[SPEAKER_08]: The game was an absolute blizzard.

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[SPEAKER_08]: The field was truly covered in white.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Guys are slipping around.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It was a...

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[SPEAKER_08]: Talk, forget, low scoring.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It was a zero, zero game.

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[SPEAKER_08]: But then Ron Myers sends out this guy, Mark Henderson, who's on a snow plow on the sidelines, who apparently was like out on parole or something.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_08]: But he goes out there and he clears off a spot on the field as New England.

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[SPEAKER_08]: John Smith was a name of the kicker and he attempts a 33 yard kick and he had the one clear spot in the entire field.

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[SPEAKER_08]: He makes the kick, it's the only score of the entire game, the dolphins, who are a Super Bowl caliber team, lose to the Patriots, three nothing in that game.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So there's nothing we love better here in the tank than a pissed off-down Shula story.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You got to tell us what was going on behind the scenes there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, it's not really that long a story, but I'm done on the field towards the end of the game, and you know, walk with Coach of the Lock Room and

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[SPEAKER_02]: there's the cooling off-berry before the media is allowed to come in, and I couldn't even recount how mad Coachula was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's the the visual cliche steam coming out of someone's ears, which you can't even imagine that could actually

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was steam coming out of Coach Will Ziers, he was so angry, his body was almost paralyzed, he didn't even know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was just so angry because as we know from know him, if nothing else, Coach Will was a bastion of fairness and that was his calling card

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[SPEAKER_02]: so objectionable on every level, on everything that he stood for, it was essentially cheating and unfair and not integrity and at its highest level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what they did even so worse for him was at that point in time there was nothing that could be done about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It had happened and there was no reversing it and no fixing it and he was just so angry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he was inconsolable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really worried about when the media came in, what that was going to be like as I recall, we took an extra 10 or 15 minutes before we we let people in, but he was angry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, as the chairman of the competition committee, you know, it ultimately,

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[SPEAKER_02]: some things we made and sometimes the things weren't allowed to happen again but that's certainly an indelible moment in NFL history as you said if you don't know the snowplow game a moment ago I think no matter what your age is everybody knows the snowplow game Yeah, no one you two yeah, definitely on YouTube so

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[SPEAKER_08]: It's, I feel like it's one of those things that he carried with him, maybe the rest of his life, but I know you could not, I would hear stories about like Ron Meyer was a dead man in the him after that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Never mentioned his name again, never said the words, Ron Meyer, um, I did hear just recently, uh, within the last few months and I actually asked Dave Schul if it was true, that Ron Meyer went to travel in and went to Don Shul's memorial.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's true or not.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Wow, wow that would be interesting to find out it's everything that you said that's all we've ever heard that you know as tough as he was that it was all about fairness There's a famous story where he somebody had found the I don't know so it was the Raiders playbook or what have you and he didn't want any part of it So the idea that that would would happen to him against him and against his team.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I can't I can't imagine what and so you were you were like literally by his side as he's just

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[SPEAKER_02]: is boiling over in the postures locker room just me and have he was in the head coaches private locker room at Shafer Stadium and yeah they're angry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: very angry.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, you know, you mentioned in that coaches.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I love coach and, you know, just as a great man and, you know, he talk about some of the relationships, you know, he talk about that situation right there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: We always know we always knew that he was always tough, but he was always fair.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I know he had to have and we know this when I played that he asked him serious.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if it's issues big Seth, but always has some different situations with the media, you know, I mean, and I know that, you know, his his wrath had to extend way past just to players at times, but it's because I caught him in the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I heard the 70s players had a rough, 80s players had a little less.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I had a less than that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But it had to, you know, to the media in the press as well, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But I meant you had to do with some of the stuff that people actually didn't

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[SPEAKER_05]: What is this story about the Dolphins Press trailer and and co-sueless concerns?

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[SPEAKER_05]: Not only with the media, but with visiting PR guys as well.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Tell us about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, back in the old, and the era we're talking about in the 80s, and when the dolphins had this crummy practice facility at Biscayne College, there was a press trailer, we talked earlier, the facilities were bare-bone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, there was no place for the media to go, so there was actually a trailer on the practice field, and that's where the home media covered the dolphins every day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They worked out of this mobile trailer that had a bathroom in it, on the actual practice

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was there AC in there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could see in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could see that was our air conditioning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was there air conditioning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there was a condition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But so every week that we were playing a home game, the visiting PR guy would come on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Shula was okay with the home writers who were covering the team regularly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: being able to watch practice, we had established rules of what they could and could report.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when the visiting PR guy came, he was going to come into the trailer and meet with the media.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So every week when that happened, Shua had me get a role of aluminum foil.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have to roll out the aluminum foil and take

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[SPEAKER_02]: the foil on all of the windows in the trailer, so there was no way that the visiting PR guy could see anything going on at practice as if PR guys knew formations or knew anything about football.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was always worried, you know, came from the old Georgia and old school of, you don't want anybody seeing your business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we kept a couple of rolls of aluminum foil,

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[SPEAKER_02]: on the trend or, and on Wednesdays of home games, I would break it out and take a aluminum foil on all the windows.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I was thinking that was fabulous, and especially so like, I don't even know if advancing exists anymore, and I felt like when I was working for the team, it was starting to phase out, but Harvey would always send me on advance.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And half the places I would go, they were going, why is Harvey sending you out here?

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[SPEAKER_08]: Like nobody does this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And I would carry around this big suitcase that had like photographs and they're like Seth, you know, people fed excess stuff.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Now, email hadn't gotten to what it is now, but they were like people,

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[SPEAKER_08]: You can FedEx that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You can send it via UPS, like we can just overnight it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You don't have to spend and send somebody.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And I would go out on Tuesday night's Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Just like Chip is saying, Wednesday, and he would make me visit the facility and I'd walk in there and none of the reporters gave me shit that I was there.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So it was just funny to me to hear an advancing story.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And then there's the only thing worse than having to advance for me would be walking in somewhere that you're unwelcome.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's what makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember all the time we get off the plane back then where there'd be a photo copies of all the articles from the week like everything that was said like there was like a packet of like every single article that was written and we have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_05]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, when they coaches like you just said, Oh, Jay, when they would get off the plane on the tarmac, I would hand them a stapled set of all the clips inside it, been in town since Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the first time they laid eyes on those articles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like we're talking about the days of George Washington, and there was no other way to see those articles, and you would cut them out of the paper all during the week while you were there, and then on Saturday morning before the team came, you'd go down to the hotel, sales office, wherever you were staying with the team, and make copies, and make all sets, and staple them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like we're talking about the dark age.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and Harvey carried that out.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I started 96 and I was there for eight years.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So Harvey, we had to do that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And towards the end of my run there, like I would send stuff back.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It got harder and harder to get papers.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You would go to some cities where there weren't pay well, you know, or they, they would have one paper, but Harvey always wanted this kind of obscure paper because there might be an article there that could give an edge to Jimmy and, you know, and so I would go drive around at six in the morning trying to find these random, you know, I don't know where the news arrow is man.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I don't you know, like where do you want me to go.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Akron Beacon Journal Harvey like they're.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not trying to act right now and then I do that then I'd have to cut him up and at that point he wanted us to fax him back and one day meal finally was like Harvey, do you realize that that I've read everything before Seth even sends it back because I go on the internet not everything's in the internet, you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you didn't have the internet back then, but I'm going to jump in with a quick news paper story when you're talking about looking at newspapers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to say this player's name, but this is one of my all-time favorite stories back before the internet, when everybody had to read the newspaper, but we were in training camp and in our training camp, we didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were one of the few teams back then that didn't go anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because we we were the maybe the only team that because this game pilot college had a dorm we stayed in the dorm during training camp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was a one Miami-Herald newspaper rack by the dorm and during training camp when the players were sleeping there that they would all buy a paper out of the rack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and it became common knowledge that for whatever reason back when the paper was either dim or a quarter of the Miami-Herald Rock, if you put three pennies in the rack, it would open and you could get a paper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We never figured out why that didn't fix it, because every day when they come to put the papers in and take the money out, they'll just pay the pennies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The players are all cheap so they're all spent in the three pennies none of them are spending a dime or a quarter So it was the Sunday after a preseason game and the news paper rock was by the player dorm in a breezeway And I'm staying in there where the about four or five reporters and a player who I won't name comes up to the pack of me and the four or five other reporters And said hey man is anybody have three pennies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to I want to get a handle

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the writers just kind of stood there and didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I reached into my pocket and pulled out whatever change I had without looking at it and held it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it happened to be four pennies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're in my pocket that I held out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the guy looks in my hand at the four pennies he goes, now it only works with three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he walks away.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I was going to try and guess the player, but after that, you don't only works with three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's a high draft choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: From a Texas school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So now we're in my wheelhouse.

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[SPEAKER_08]: We're talking about advancing in production meetings and we're talking about, you know, newspapers, although I never had the three penny deal.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And we've covered 1982, we've covered 1984, but also in this list of great story ideas,

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[SPEAKER_08]: What caught my attention were the words 1983 media guide gas and shit.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Now full disclosure, I'm a media guide geek back in the day when I was a kid I you subscribe to dolphin digest not just because they had great stories, but one of my favorite moments of the year

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[SPEAKER_08]: was you would get the Miami Dolphins media guy.

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[SPEAKER_08]: If you were a subscriber to Dolphin Digest, Andy Cohen and worked out whatever deal with you guys and you would get a media guy sent to you.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I remember being at the University of Florida and I couldn't wait to that day and I had the library or you know the Encyclopedia of the Miami Dolphins of my hands.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It was just awesome stuff.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So you've got my full attention in this and I want to know what turned the Dolphins media guy in the national news, but I'm such a geek that I have a copy of a 1983 Miami Dolphins media

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's I think I have the corrected one though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have the corrected one I gotta tell us I got to hear about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that's really Partly how I had to get in the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm back at the strikers the 82 season is over on back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as the PR director, the strikers, and the Miami Dolphin Media Guide comes out the following summer, whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And back then, the first time anybody knew there was a problem, there was a tradition of putting the previous year's MVP on the cover of the following year's Media Guide, and the MVP that previous year had been under a Franklin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he should have been on the Media Guide cover number 37.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the person on the cover was a guy who had that time was the third string full back what he'd done it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a PR at the time as a guy named Dick Horning, who was an older gentleman who went to where the same suit jacket 37 days in a row.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he

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[SPEAKER_02]: was not really qualified for the job, but he was a old drinking buddy of Joe Robbie, so he had the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was in charge of the meeting guide and it came out with what he'd been it on the cover and then some of the beat writers started looking at it and it's pretty soon became apparent that that was the least of the problems.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By my memory,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The heroine came out with a story that there were 373 errors in the media guide, including things like a player who had died the previous off season named Larry Gordon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His bio was still in the media guide like he was an active player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were just reams and reams and reams of huge, not typos, huge mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a player who was said to be dead, who was still alive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were all sorts of mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you say today picked up on it and did a whole story with all the mistakes from the Dolphins media guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Joe Robby went crazy and he recalled the media guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And back then, you would send every team and a lead would tell you how many media God you, it won't do to send them so they could give them out to all their media.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the Dolphin sent out a memo to all the teams asking to recall the media God and had them all sent back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And meanwhile, I get a phone call to the strikers telling me, I need to come down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have five days to rewrite the Dolphin, right?

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[SPEAKER_08]: And lucky it wasn't the Harvey Green Me the guy that was 700 pages at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't even like really know the players, but I had to go down there and literally was working 20 hours a day back then nothing was computerized or digitized.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You were doing it, you know, and typewriters and waiting things out and the typeface people with the printers were, you know, running out, you know, dreams of

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[SPEAKER_02]: of a copy to paste into a mock-up media guide and it was a nightmare and a couple of PR guys from the NFL who I later became friends with told me that they secretly held back a couple of copies of that media guide because they were counting on it being a collector's edition, you know, many years from now and making a bunch of money off of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, that is the revised version of the media guide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that whole media guide Fiasco is how I ended up really getting the full-time job.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It says revised right there.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I didn't get that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: 1982 media guide revised and actually says it right there.

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[SPEAKER_08]: On the cover, the Dolphins-1982 most valuable player, Andre Franklin.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So, and remember, you know, there's a nice tribute to Larry Gordon there.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So, great job by YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So, when you sent this, I did a Google search and I found there's somebody selling one for like 140 bucks on eBay and original, the original.

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[SPEAKER_08]: with what you said to the link.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, so you might want to it might be worth trying to check that down or maybe you're just pissed off that somebody didn't send it back.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And you know, I remember as you're saying this, and I'm sorry, Jews, I just get geeked up about the damn media guys.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know that they did this, when you were the PR, well, publicity director, but we would get these boxes from the league and you'd get the red box and the blue box and the AFC and the NFC and then you would get, you would get shipments in.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, well, the Rams were always last because of Georgia, but you would get, you know, the jets book came in, you would get, and you would look through and compare and see the people who were there and all the things.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And it was like exciting to get all those books and then you'd go put a set downstairs for the media.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Very funny, very funny.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I choose something.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Look, this is where we're talking about, Big Seth.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Me, hell.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I said?

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[SPEAKER_05]: We talk about play.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This stuff right here.

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[SPEAKER_05]: People don't ever hear stuff like this.

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[SPEAKER_05]: This is compelling stuff and it's so interesting because we talked about, as a player, I don't know all this shit's going on.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_05]: But then you guys, all the stuff you guys go through that we don't, we don't get to witness.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All we do is go out there and quote unquote play ball, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: It's just pretty badass, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So that's really fun stuff, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: So we've talked about Marino and Shula with a little bit about the killer bees, but we can't not discuss the, and we talk a little bit about the robbies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, and I'd love the robbies.

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[SPEAKER_05]: They, you know, Seth, you know, they're near and dear to my heart, because that's the family that drafted me and today I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Start getting your first day robbers.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely, that was unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And in the whole family, everybody was just great to me.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And I think it's pretty cool that you had the relationship with Robby's beforehand and, you know, from there, but I also know that the people that cover the robies, there are a lot of people that cover the robies, there was no bigger name than Evan Pope, the legendary Miami Heart hero columnist from what we understand the relates to between Edwin and Mr. Robby.

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[SPEAKER_05]: was very interesting to say to least, can you talk about that a little bit?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, back then for those younger folks, Edwin Pope was probably the most powerful columnists in the state and one of the most powerful sports columnists in the country, you know, there's a, you know, an extended Matt Rushmore of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: famous sports column is from that era and it around the country and Edwin certainly on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he and he and Joe Robbie had a bit of a conflicting relationship or confrontational relationship and they didn't get along that great and you know Edwin took an opportunity to take shots and Joe whenever the opportunity arose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Edwin was a big believer that the reason the dolphin

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[SPEAKER_02]: when when the dolphins first were building their stadium, which was unique at that time, because it was one of the first really privately funded stadiums ever built.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were discussing of, you know, what, what they should name the stadium.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Edwin wrote a column that he thought, and this is when Ed Joe Robby was alive and well, and Edwin's suggestion was Joe Robby Memorial Stadium and the sooner the better,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and his other classic line was after Joe passed away, not long after Joe passed away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Edwin and in one of his notes column wrote something like, I wanted to go spit on Joe Robby's grave, but I hate standing in long lines.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like why did anyone hate him so bad?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joe was a smart stream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a big Joe fan myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very appreciative because without him, I wouldn't have had the career I had, but he was a difficult guy to deal with on every level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's a son, he has some Tim who was my direct boss of the strikers is a wonderful, wonderful guy who I'm still friendly with this day and think think the world of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, we had another robby at the time when I was there, Mike Robbie was asking about that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well, I want to ask about Mike in a second, but just thinking about the fact that now at the stadium formally known as Joe Robby Stadium.

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[SPEAKER_08]: If you go into the press box, it's the editorial press box.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That wouldn't happen if Joe was still alive.

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[SPEAKER_08]: No, but I mean, think about that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: The Joe Robby name is gone for never thinking like that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And then folks it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So all those things you're telling me about, and when kind of one, you know, at least the name of that stadium, that's messed up.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That's actually kind of messed up.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I never thought of it, but you're right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: To Joe Robby's credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know Robby's.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Think about that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, think about that ship and to Joe Robby's credit, and I have to I got to get any white in here if nothing not only for great stories, but but I I as a I want to save the story, but I may have had an interview with Joe Robby as a ninth grader at Piper High School working for the Piper Pipeline Or I might have had an interview for any white doing a very good Joe Robby in personation I need to get that found out but my point that point that I'm making is for all the tough stories you've heard about them

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[SPEAKER_08]: That stadium exists because he went against the grain and did something that just had never been done.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Correct, never done a wonderful answer.

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[SPEAKER_08]: But it, but it, maybe they did.

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[SPEAKER_08]: They kind of did because his name's not on it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And Edwin's is.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So that's, that's kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, you mentioned Microbi.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So Joe, it was a family-owned business.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Microbi was one of Joe's sons, and Microbi at one point had the title of General Manager, which from what I understand and you can certainly verify.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't what we think of a General Manager does today overseeing scouts, drafting players, really constructing the football team.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It was more of the business operations, I believe, of the organization.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Again, you can clarify those things,

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[SPEAKER_08]: of being one of the more, let's use the word eccentric characters throughout the national football league.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And then sometime around Super Bowl 19, there's this story of Mike Robbie and the word that was used is that he disappeared.

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[SPEAKER_02]: chip, you got to tell us what's going on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the context of imagining this happen in happening in today's world, your head would explode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The world would explode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's true, Mike Robbie, and he wasn't a general manager in the in the traditional sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the other teams had traditional general managers because

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[SPEAKER_02]: To be frank, he wasn't really qualified for the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a general manager because his father owned the team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Mike, if you don't know what he looked like, he was a very tall, very thin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of looked the politically incorrect way that he was described at that time was, he looked like Abraham Lincoln with AIDS.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is pretty politically in Kareu, very politically in Kareu, but he kind of looked like a very funny picture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm now very thin Abraham Lincoln with the beard and he always had always wore an ill-fitting dark suit and he always had a lot of dandruff on his lapels and I think Edwin Pope had the line that he always looked like somebody who had just come back from trying to smuggle

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and in the rocks, you know, he ran it way, he didn't get it.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone did not give it down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were getting ready to play the 84 FC Championship game against Pittsburgh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a few days before the game, Mike.

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[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't there, wasn't around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was just missing for a few days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then came the AFC championship game, and he wasn't there either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so now we're getting ready for the Super Bowl and we're thinking he's gonna show up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there was none of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there was one week or two weeks between the AFC championship game and that's Super Bowl, but he's,

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[SPEAKER_02]: missing the whole couple weeks before the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're at the Super Bowl, and the Super Bowl week, and still no microbe, the general manager of the Miami Dolphins has not been seen in weeks, and later heard that Joe had private investigators out looking for him, but to know a veil, and he was just, he was not a Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing was, nobody wrote about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like to the local guy's covering the team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they knew he

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[SPEAKER_02]: They considered him so really not part of the radar screen of what was going on with the team that they didn't think twice about it and he was kind of a, you know, an odd figure at that time, so they didn't they just kind of shrugged it off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but so then we get past the Super Bowl now where, you know, scouting combine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll make me cry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Draft, it'll make me cry, I mean, this has been months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The general manager of the Miami Dolphins has been missing for like five months and no one has written about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: it's unbelievable really and then it's this is the ending of it is equally unbelievable Mike Secretary was a woman named Joan butel who's who's husband was embarking in Guy for the Dolphins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Frank and a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, Joan, I know Joan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paulig for Mike during these months and they'd say you know Mike Robbie, please.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry he's not here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jim, I'll be back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not really.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can take a message.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So finally in May, after he had gone missing in December or January, whatever it was, one day the door the office opens up and Mike Robbie strives in wearing his traditional ill-fitting black suit like he never left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He walks in like he never left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He walks in in a month later, like he never left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just strolls in and wearing his suit and his briefcase.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't make this up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He stops by his secretary, John's desk and goes, any message that he has.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, make the stuff up.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I did Joe.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I wish I knew this story when I worked there and Joan was still there, because Joan was working with Eddie Jones at, right?

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[SPEAKER_08]: I think she was Eddie Jones is very nice.

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[SPEAKER_08]: She wasn't listening to it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Bear, you tell, this is to the show.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I, Barry's gonna love this.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Any messages?

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[SPEAKER_08]: Oh my goodness, I don't even know where to begin with that was Joe Robbie like, hey, make sure this doesn't get out was he concerned were you being told anything or it just was kind of a Harvey would say a wiggit.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So who gives a shit?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just it was just like, you know, the sun came up today and Mike Robbie's still out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, nobody thought twice about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wrote about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody asked about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Any message?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The N.C.

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[SPEAKER_02]: office down the hallway and

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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, Chip, I mean, and Seth, I think that probably, the fact that nobody really thought that he was really about football operations might be like, you know, we, it's no big, it's no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's not around because he's not a part of the draft.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's not a part of free.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's not a part of all, I mean, it wasn't a lot of free agency back then.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, but same time, no, I mean, damn, how do you disappear as a GM and then nobody,

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[SPEAKER_05]: David Dam really and then he just was he was going to be a case in the extent of a case in the south.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, did anybody find out where he was, he's yeah, jams, that was a loaded answer right there.

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[SPEAKER_08]: He was on an extended something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine if in today's NFL, an NFL general manager disappeared for the conference championship game that's Super Bowl combined in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The draft.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that NFL general man would be an NFL general man, but the fact that he comes walking in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he was the older son, so even in today's NFL, he might still be there.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid, so he might be a kid,

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[SPEAKER_05]: There's stories are incredible, absolutely incredible, man.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And like I said, I love hearing the stuff that I'd never with of known as a player because of things that go on behind the scenes.

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[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, we do need to wrap things up a little bit, chip.

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[SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, but before we do, before we do, I need to ask you, how did you transition from NFL strikers to NFL PR guy to

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, after I left the dolphins, I went to the Houston Oilers as there had a PR for nine years and then I went from there to the same job with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and then after I left the Buccaneers, I decided to start my own sports PR firm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, well, I need to do that in a big market.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't really want to go to New York because I'm a weather whore see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought, well, I'll go to LA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at the time, I didn't really know anything about the entertainment business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to start a sports PR firm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was lucky enough to be able to lease office space at the NFL's West Coast offices.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I happened to, I was dating a woman who was an executive in PR for Paramount.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I found out that there was a niche.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a guy who had basically a one person niche that whenever a Hollywood a studio would make a sports theme movie because the studios have massive PR departments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they had the entertainment world covered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The studio publicity people don't know anything about anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have any contacts at sports media outlets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they would hire an outside consultant to create an execute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Publicity campaigns whenever they were for sports media, whenever they were released to sports movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was this one guy who had a monopoly on doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, I could do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How do I get to be that guy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, how do you get to be that guy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I decided to take him on and try to break into that and I did and I have to tell you a quick one real quick thing about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this guy and I he didn't like someone kind of trying to move in on his monopoly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was a very contentious thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His wife was a big agent in Hollywood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they tried to run me out and did some very unscrupulous things to run me out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we had a very contentious relationship to say the least.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In about six years ago, a reporter at S.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sports Illustrated in John Worthon, who's now a correspondent on 16 minutes, called me and told me I thought this was a joke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, you know, sports illustrated every other year does a their best of issue the best best of whatever and they do it every every other year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said this year for best sports rivalry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We want to do an article on you and this other guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see his name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this is a joke, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said not you see L.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: USC Yankees Red Sox Florida Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me and this guy were best sports rivalry in sports illustrated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a joke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did a six-page article on me and this guy I refused to pose for a photograph of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they had to do an artist rendering it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And it's hell of a robbery if you wouldn't have it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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[SPEAKER_08]: You just became my co-host favorite guest of all time because he loves having a grudge against them.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_05]: He's still in his soul.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It's just because they were once in the AFC East.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So it's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_08]: God, I love that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Do you have a copy of that article because you have to send it to me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's funny because when the article came out, they sent me an advanced copy and I had decided to take the high row because I knew the other guy wouldn't by now taking a picture with and about well other but in my quotes in the article and then I kind of I regretted taking the high road because he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it bothered me so much that except the one time I read the article when it came out on a dance copy because so many people were calling me about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never read it again and a lot of people told me when they read the article that

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[SPEAKER_02]: You took the high road.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He looks like a bit of a crappy guy, but I still wish I had I had a platform to let the world know what this guy and his wife had done I mean and you guys don't know the story, but I wish I had done it because it was so nasty But yes, you can Google the article sports illustrated PR guys with my name and you'll

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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm getting on it and if I can't find it, if you're listening to it, if you're a fish tank fan, send it to us if you found it, and I know a couple of listeners will be attached to our tour to when we, we, it's not hard to find, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot, I cannot,

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[SPEAKER_08]: way to read that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That that is going to be a must for me.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm going to follow up with you because I've got this project that's been sitting on a hard drive forever.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It's a sports theme scripted podcast.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I need to pick your brain.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It probably combines two things that you're an expert in.

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[SPEAKER_08]: All right, as Drew said, we do want to get you out of here.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You've been incredibly gracious with your time.

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[SPEAKER_08]: However, we end every episode of this podcast, the same way, Chip.

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[SPEAKER_08]: It is the fish tank two-minute drill.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I'm sure you saw a million two-minute drills in all your years in Nashville, football league.

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[SPEAKER_08]: But now you've got to buckle up your chin strap and you've got to get in one.

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[SPEAKER_08]: We've got two minutes on the clock.

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[SPEAKER_08]: If you need time out, let us know.

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[SPEAKER_08]: But we're going to throw a few fast pays.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Hopefully, fast pays.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Certainly, fun questions at you.

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[SPEAKER_08]: And we'll see if we can end this show in the end zone.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Sound good?

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[SPEAKER_08]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_08]: All right, Jews, clock is officially running.

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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, tip here we go.

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[SPEAKER_05]: After you're run with the Miami Dolphins, you served in similar roles with the Houston orders you mentioned, the tap debate book and ears from Don Shulet, the Jerry Glamville, the Jeff Fisher, Sam Wise, and then Tony Dungey, which head coach was the toughest one to work for, which was the nicest to deal with and who was the funniest of the group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Toughest to deal with was don't sure, but tough but fair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody, he had such a great impact on my career, tough but fair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice as Jack party by a mile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On his jury gland ill, but you didn't want to be the butt of it.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So good.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Jerry Glyvel's actually in my storage in this, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's great job.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Congratulations to my two minutes.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I call it time up.

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[SPEAKER_08]: All right, Chip, you are a member of a very special group of head BR people in Miami Dolphin history.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So if you, Eddie White, Harvey Green, the Lake Great Jason Jenkins, and let's throw in the current communications chief and Nolan, if all of you sat down at a poker table, I want to know who would go broke first, who would take home all the cash, and who would be bluffing on literally every single hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Harvey would go broke first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we'd probably take away all the cash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want to see other one?

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[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, well, so for you, uh, Jay's, oh, of the last thing is that who would we know was bluffing every single play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything else would be anyway anyway, anyway would bluff every hand and take on all the money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, all right, all right, and anyway would drive a snow plow over the poker table to find a way to win.

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[SPEAKER_05]: All right, Chip, what is the toughest request, Don Shula ever asked of you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: but i'm drawing blank but i i'll i'll say this isn't the answer to your question before cell phones he went time called me at home on a saturday when i had to the phone i said hello and he went chip don and i went don who and he screamed shula

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[SPEAKER_02]: very loudly, I see it never called me at home before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No color idea had been invented, no cell phone, but on the toughest, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't,

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I have time or no?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a story anytime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When his son Mike was playing quarterback at Alabama Don was, you know, very into the results of Mike's games and we were back then we used to practice

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... on the day before the game on road games at the visiting team stadium so where it's where it's safer stadium in foxborough practicing and alibam is playing tenacity at that time and so there's no cell phones so don says go up to the patriots office where which we're in the building in the stadium and get a score of the alibam at tenacity game

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I go up there and I couldn't get a score.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was no score, and I knew the game was underway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Long story short, there had been a power failure in the press box and Knoxville.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were not able to transmit the score back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Every game was on TV, blah, blah, blah.

01:00:57.897 --> 01:01:09.283
[SPEAKER_02]: You had to call the AP to get the score and there was no transmission so there was no score Well done sure it didn't accept excuses I couldn't go back and tell him there was a power failure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't get through score.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll get a bunch of I didn't just send him a back-of-generator chip Right, so I decided on my way back to the field that when he asked me what the score was I'm going to tell him it was nothing nothing in the face

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[SPEAKER_08]: because it's some point it had to be no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_08]: 10-foil aluminum foil on the windows for visiting PR guys, but he didn't mind sending his PR guy up into the Baitry offices.

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[SPEAKER_08]: That's uh, you know, that's too good.

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[SPEAKER_08]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Clock is going to start back up final question.

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[SPEAKER_08]: You have seen and experienced so much as a PR guy.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Super Bowls.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Hall of Fame had coaches quarterback star players movie premieres.

01:02:02.446 --> 01:02:07.668
[SPEAKER_08]: What is the most impactful or memorable moment of this incredible PR journey you've been on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my goodness, why couldn't you have given me a warning you were going to ask me a question like that?

01:02:12.712 --> 01:02:15.414
[SPEAKER_02]: Because apparently you're a better PR guy than I am.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we call it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we call it another time out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Call it another time as you want to.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I got to think about that.

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[SPEAKER_08]: I really, I thought something would, you know, I thought you were at an age when you started to get nostalgic and reflective.

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[SPEAKER_08]: There might be a moment that jumps out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would definitely say the most impactful moment really for my career because I wouldn't have to career with that this moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was I graduated from the University of Florida.

01:02:42.767 --> 01:02:49.449
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to go to law school in the fall of in Houston after I spent the summer when I graduated from Florida.

01:02:49.469 --> 01:02:55.491
[SPEAKER_02]: I went home to Memphis where my mother was living at the time and I was just going to get a summer job until law school started the fall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had accepted a job working at a department store in Memphis.

01:02:59.993 --> 01:03:07.878
[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw a notice in the paper that Memphis had just been granted a franchise of expansion team in the North American soccer league.

01:03:08.318 --> 01:03:11.060
[SPEAKER_02]: So I had just graduated with the degree in PR from Florida.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had worked for three years as a sports writer at the school paper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had worked as an intern in the sports SID office at Florida at that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'd love to do that for the summer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I called the soccer team office and I said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... is there a PR director yet this day just been granted a franchise a week or two before this is just we just hired just started yesterday i said what could i talk to them so the guys on the phone i said my name is so and so i just graduated from florida work at the school paper sports information office i said you have any summer employment and he said you have a degree in PR which then was highly unheard of and i said yes you said well

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[SPEAKER_02]: Come down and see me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I went down and saw my never seen a soccer game in my life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went to the library.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I checked out some books on soccer.

01:04:00.172 --> 01:04:04.096
[SPEAKER_02]: I went in and he said, well, I actually don't have a budget for an assistant.

01:04:04.476 --> 01:04:08.739
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I hire you for a summer intern, you're really service my assistant PR director.

01:04:08.759 --> 01:04:10.561
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, well, that would be great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I can only pay you $2,000 an hour.

01:04:13.243 --> 01:04:15.605
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I took the job.

01:04:15.685 --> 01:04:18.947
[SPEAKER_02]: I called the department store and told them I wasn't going to take the job.

01:04:19.427 --> 01:04:24.151
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I didn't call that guy at the soccer team office, he didn't take my call.

01:04:24.651 --> 01:04:28.193
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't tell me to come down to his office and hire me for the summer.

01:04:28.614 --> 01:04:30.515
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I took the department store job.

01:04:30.995 --> 01:04:39.621
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd go to law school in the fall, and I never ever have anything remotely of the 45 or 50 year career I've had it never happens.

01:04:40.102 --> 01:04:41.883
[SPEAKER_02]: So the most impactful moment was

01:04:42.343 --> 01:04:52.795
[SPEAKER_05]: That phone call to that sucker PR got absolutely incredible that is the two minute drill and that is incredible It drill at its finest big set

01:04:53.637 --> 01:05:13.665
[SPEAKER_08]: And you know what it says something not to get all mushy here, but I mean, just the idea that you can live all of these experiences, but sometimes it's a moment like that that that kind of the spark that that set the entire thing off is the thing that stands out the most and and and let's be honest, if I picked a second most impactful moment, it would be.

01:05:14.325 --> 01:05:16.226
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Robby when I was with the strikers.

01:05:16.847 --> 01:05:28.814
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was his frugality to chance to get somebody if the Dolphin two would be cheap But regardless of that if he does it move me from the strikers to the Dolphins I don't break into the NFL.

01:05:29.254 --> 01:05:42.042
[SPEAKER_02]: I go with the strikers when they move to Minneapolis and they fold a couple years later And I'm out of a job probably working in PR for some banks somewhere So Joe Robby moving me to the Dolphins is the second most impactful moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely

01:05:43.343 --> 01:05:54.254
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and you know, you talk about frugality, but if he was a big spender, he might have just gone and found somebody else and he might have gone the the route that he did with Like I'm no more of this bullshit.

01:05:54.274 --> 01:05:55.895
[SPEAKER_08]: Let me go get that guy from the Yankees.

01:05:56.236 --> 01:05:56.336
[SPEAKER_08]: So

01:05:58.798 --> 01:05:59.879
[SPEAKER_08]: He might have done something like that.

01:05:59.959 --> 01:06:00.819
[SPEAKER_08]: Shit, this was awesome.

01:06:01.099 --> 01:06:03.300
[SPEAKER_08]: I know we worked hard to get it set up.

01:06:03.681 --> 01:06:06.202
[SPEAKER_08]: You set us up for success.

01:06:06.222 --> 01:06:12.465
[SPEAKER_08]: I apologize that I did not do the same in return, but this was a lot of fun, a lot of fun.

01:06:12.665 --> 01:06:13.365
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I enjoyed it.

01:06:13.385 --> 01:06:14.946
[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed talking to you guys.

01:06:15.066 --> 01:06:16.947
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Chief, thanks for diving in, man.

01:06:17.848 --> 01:06:19.428
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, okay, good to see you guys.

01:06:19.468 --> 01:06:23.070
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Vegas, Opin, number one, one, of course.

01:06:23.250 --> 01:06:25.051
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, hold on, there is what's wrong.

01:06:25.091 --> 01:06:26.312
[SPEAKER_04]: Have I been at this tight?

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[SPEAKER_04]: and when you don't have a minute of rest time.