Damion McIntosh: It Was a Crazy Time

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Speaker 1: You're now diving who.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Fish Tank, presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, Seth Lovitt and the man with the best hands in the podcast business.

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Speaker 3: He is Oj McDuffie. Juice, how we feeling today?

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Speaker 5: Feeling great, Big Seth, always feeling great.

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Speaker 6: You know how I feel about, you know, my side of the football again, you know, And it seems like lately Big Seth has been my side of football man, which is the best side of football.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know that, we all know. So I'm feeling really good about this one man. And another Mac in the building.

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Speaker 4: So I like that another Mac in the building. Yeah, it just it's been one big fella after the next. We are putting together quite a front here to keep us protected.

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Speaker 5: Juice.

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Speaker 4: We want to keep their hands off of us, us little guys. But Damien McIntosh, a local guy, South Florida guy, MacArthur Mustang dives into the fish tank for the first time.

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Speaker 3: Max how you feeling, man.

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Speaker 2: Good gentlemen, how are you doing great? To be great?

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Speaker 4: To have it?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's like MiG Seth, you know, it's like it's it's funny.

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Speaker 6: You get an opportunity and you get on me all the time about how many names I dropped from the from the suite, from their long.

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Speaker 3: My god, Yeah, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It's like.

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Speaker 6: Last time I was in there, you know, I heard Damien and Damien talking a lot, you know, chopping it up, having it, having a good time man, and I said, Man, we gotta get we gotta get McIntosh in the tank.

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Speaker 5: Man. Sure enough, bro, we got it. We got big fella in the tank.

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Speaker 4: Well, I am glad you did, because it's one of my favorite stories when I think back to my days working for the team.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know if you know this side.

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Speaker 4: Of the story, Like it's you're involved, Damien, but it's I don't know if you know this part of it through my lens, And it really was towards the end of my ten you're working for the team. So March two thousand and four was the free agency period. I ended up leaving in July of oh four. But you know, so i'd been there. This would have been my ninth season if I had stayed on. Rick Spielman had just been named general manager after four years with the club, and like I said, we're in the.

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Speaker 3: Free agency period, but also in the off season.

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Speaker 4: Every year the league has these annual meetings, and it's not just the owners and the big timers. All the different levels of the organization have meetings, and so the PR meetings were taking place. Harvey didn't feel comfortable taking the whole crew. I don't remember where they were, but it was out of state, and he didn't feel comfortable, just like not having a PR representative from the organization back there because it.

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Speaker 3: Was free agency. And Rick was like, no, it'll be fine, we don't have anything going on. Well, Harvey and Neil leave, they leave me behind.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like you know when your kids kind of getting that teenage and you're like, Okay, we trust them enough to leave them home alone. Don't throw any damn parties, but we know you're not going to burn a house down kind of a thing. So it was that kind of a deal. And then Rick comes walking in. I'm sitting in my cubicle. He goes, hey, we're gonna sign Damian McIntosh. And I'm like, oh, the lineman, Yeah, san Diego. He's like, yeah, we're gonna sign him. Go ahead and schedule a press conference. I said, are you sure we're gonna schedule? You know, because once I announced this, he said, yep, absolutely, we're good. I said, well, let me let Harvey know. I'll start working on a press release. I'll work on a media advisory. So I call Harvey, right, Juice, and he's at the meetings. He goes, all right, all right, it's like, tell him what's gonna happen. I write up the announcement that hey, at two thirty pm today and Davy the Dolfins are gonna have a free agency announcement, right Juice.

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Speaker 3: See Mac you remember this right?

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Speaker 2: You remember that was a crazy situation. Yeah. Yeah, So I do all that.

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Speaker 4: I send it out, Juice, I email it. Harvey still made us facts. We had to call everybody, Hey, free agency sign and can you tell us who it is? No, I can't get into who it is? And some is it Damian McIntosh because you know, they start to sniff, and I'm like, just come on out here at two thirty pm. Well, like Forty five minutes later, Rick comes back in the office. He says, hey, cancel it.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, cancel what. I'm like, cancel what.

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Speaker 4: He goes, there's a thing with the physical and we're going to get it worked out. But I'm like, Rick, I just asked you and he sent it out. So I try to call Harvey to tell him he's not answering his phone. Now I don't think we were texting back then, and so then I send out another advisory the two thirty press conference has been canceled. I was like, can I say anything. He's like, nope, just say it's been canceled. So now it's a buzz across the league, like one of the Dolphins doing it's a clown show. All the PR guys are asking the Harvey like, what the hell is your guy doing?

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Speaker 3: He's what the fuck is coming on over there? He's calling me and I'm like, man, talk to your general manager. So that was my experience. Sorry for the six minutes.

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Speaker 4: You know, there isn't even a question here, but I just every time I think of you, this is my first introduction to doing it.

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Speaker 3: What was going on on your end?

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Speaker 2: Like all of that I could fill in the holes for that hole situation. All right, So that was my last year. I did pleading my fourth year in San Diego, and I got injured in the middle of the year and we were treating it as a high ankle spring. So I was playing with it and they would treat me as high ankle spring, and you know, on me, I'll do anything get back on the field. So it was probably close to the second to third to the last game of the last game of the season, and I saw something pop in my ankle and I was done for the rest of the year after that. Okay, I was under the assumption that I only had a high ankle spring the whole time. That's what the team doctors were telling me in San Diego and everything. So, you know, free agency start man. First thing, I'm in Oakland and Oakland's like, hey, we only bought you a one one way ticket. We're gonna get this deal done. I was like, all right. It was first there free agency. I was in Oakland. I was like, all right, I'm about to be a Raider, I guess, and stay in the division. I played four years there. I'm very familiar with everybody, So I said, I think about doing that. Well, their their their team doctor told me I failed the physical. I looked at them, like, well what is it and say, hey, your ankle, you you have torn ligaments. Boy. My agent, you know, told me, hey, listen, the Raiders want you to see a specialist down in Houston. I was like, all right, And all this time I'm just trying to go with the flowing and whatever needs to be done, get it done, and then get myself situated with the team. So at the same time, the Raiders like, okay, We're going to send you down to this this specialist down in Houston. I get told by my agent, hey, Miami told you, hey, don't sign anything. We want you here. And in my head, you know, I was like, oh, I get to come home. Yeah, I'm like, make it happen. I rather play down there than open. So let's go. And I was told and from what I know, they already knew about my ankle and went down there and spoke and said yeah, and we'll get it. We'll get we'll take care, we'll fix it. And I said, all right, no, prom so I said whatever we need to do, just I'd rather be here at home. And then I found out about the press conference. Then I also about it being canceled, and it was because And the funny thing is I signed the contract and then I had to go in and resign a different restructured contract. Wow. So all of it it was viewed one way, but I don't know if somebody didn't speak to somebody, and yeah, either way, I wanted to be here. I said, listen, just get it done, whatever needs to be done. And eventually we got it done. No press conference, but I was happy enough. I was happy just to be here. But yeah, that was what was going on, and soon soon I signed. You know, I went to Houston, same specialists and got my ankle fixed and did whatever I can. The cool thing was that same year I still played and started at left tackle. I missed one game, which was the first game, did what I had to do. I'm you know, I always found myself confident as long as I'm able, if i'm if, even if i'm a certain percentage, if I'm able, I'm gonna go out there and do my best and it's gonna be with confidence. So that whole, that whole man, that was special because you know, I'm sitting here like, oh, I'm a press conference, and all of a sudden, I was told, oh, it's canceled. It was explained to me, and I was like, all had no problem, but yeah.

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Speaker 3: No problem for you.

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Speaker 4: I had the entire like every PR person in the league was all in one conference room looking at Harvey, like, what the hell is going on over there?

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Speaker 3: Who's back there?

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Speaker 4: And oh so he got embarrassed in front of his peers and he's calling me, and I'm like, Harvey, I asked Rick, I double checked with Rick. The general manager tells me to send something out. I'm sending it out, like, you know, don't get on me. So thanks a lot.

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Speaker 3: Rick.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, well thankfully, you know you and Big Seth, you know, you survived that little mishappening and you know, and you know you did finally sign.

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Speaker 5: And while you're in here, you know.

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Speaker 6: Rehabing an injury, you're back in South Florida and preparing to be a Miami Dolphin. And while I don't, you know, want to put words in your mouth, I don't want to do that. I have to imagine at this point you're excited to come, you know, come in and block Ricky Williams. Of course, just a few months later, Ricky retires, the team finds himself and definitely in a tail spend and they wants that and stepping down as.

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Speaker 5: A head coach. All this is going on. What the world is going through your head at this point, that's so much going on really fast in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Here in his face, I did tell you it was crazy time on Johnson. I did so. I knew when I got the call from Miami. In my head, you know, of course I'm my way out the foot. Yes, I get to play a home But the main thing was, at the time, Miami was always a playoff team, and my four years in San Diego, I didn't sniff a playoff at all, right, and I blocked. I love playing with Ladanian and this was a young Ladanian when we had got him. So Ladenians what two years younger than me. So when he came, I was like, all right, cool, but you know things were changing and they they offered me but it's a short term deal, and I was like, you know what. And then and then when I found out about my ankle, I didn't trust the medical staff, so I was like, you know, what is better for me to go home? It's a playoff team. Ricky's there. So in my head, I was like, ain't gonna drop off. I got I left one great running back to another great run day. I'm ready to rock, and all that stuff happened. I'm seeing I'm seeing coach Wanstead gone, Ricky gone. I don't even know how many quarterbacks we went through. I think that's that. That thing that year we had Gus Farot or I'm not even sure we had was that the following year? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Oh four?

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Speaker 2: That was?

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Speaker 3: That was j Ajeely?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: That was that a j Feely? Oh yeah, that's right. I remember all of that. Yes, hey, listen, I love my teammates, but we had some special ones there. But yeah, aj stuff like that, I mean. And the cool thing is I played with Junior was here, say, I loved Junior. Junior was a great mentor of mine. I came into the league, I got drafted by San Diego in two thousand. Junior and Rodney Harrison were the guys that mentored me and really got me in the mindset to be a professional, you know, not like I was a whik. I was always I was very studious and I was quite but I was very confident what I did. But I listened, especially to older guys, and when I got to San Diego, it's a lot of older guys, so I wanted to soak up their wisdom and main thing I said, listen, how can I stain up a meaningful career? And they taught me how to present myself, how to come to work, what to do, and I try to I try to represent that every time. And having junior here was also a great attraction for me to come home. It was it made the move for me easier and just as far as a new team, new scheme, just new faces, but a few familiar faces, which made it a much easier move. You know, I reminisced because that time coming here was a great experience. I never got the chance to play at home other than you know, high school. Coming out of high school, I was going to sign with UM. I had committed to Dennis Erickson in O four, I had won the best lineman the war I did. I was going both ways and just I was just having fun. To me, it's like street ball. I just having fun. And coach Ericson put me off and said, son, you have a full scholarship, but I want you to go and take your visit. I took my visits, but in my head, I was like, I'm staying home. I'm going to you know. Well, that's when coach Herrickson in ninety five, Coach Harrison went to the Seattle Seahawks and then the program went on probation. I ain't gonna say names, sat and you till green Up left a mess. Every time it come down to being at home, something just went wrong. So I ended up going to Kansas State. Me and my parents, we really liked the presence and the friend and what we heard from coach Bob Stoops who recruited me. He was DC Coach Snyder was a great coach at the time. Me coming our high school disciplinarian. Everything was structured and I went into a structured program. It also helped that there was a lot of other Florida kids there, And I was surprised because in the Midwest, I never I never been to the Midwest, Sorry o J.

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Speaker 5: I n and raised in the Midwest. I guess all.

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Speaker 2: That cold weather, that's probably why my whole face is white like this now. But I went out there that was a whole different experience from me. But being around guys that were from the same area that made the transition there from high school here in South Florida a lot better. And we did. We did real well during my days from ninety five to ninety nine and at k State, and I think we were really represented, you know. And I felt proud being we down here in Florida have a thing where we want to show out, and me being a Florida athlete. That was my main my main thing that every time I went out there, you could tell, like, hey, that kid, he from the dirty, he from down south.

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Speaker 4: From Broward Man, and they just dated's Broward too.

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Speaker 5: He's a four kid.

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Speaker 6: I was a Broward three oh five when I first got down here, David, we want to talk about my age all the South Florida.

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Speaker 2: Was three five when I got Are you talking about Saint Thomas Universe? Is not where the facility was that? Or you guys already moved to Davy by then.

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Speaker 3: He got a cup of coffee.

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Speaker 5: There you go, Seth.

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Speaker 2: You always want to see.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I experienced Saint Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I did for for three days. Three days.

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Speaker 3: Thomas.

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Speaker 4: He tried to claim it like he went to war or something from the hood man too funny. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna get us back to that old four off season, and uh, you know, we always try to do a little digging. And I reached out to different guys that I knew, both that were part of the support staff and so on and so forth.

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Speaker 3: And I talked to my guy Ben Westby. He's the best, and he tells his story. He said, you know that you were rehabbing that ankle through camp and we went as a team to Houston to do the whole inner.

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Speaker 4: Squad practice thing. And while you guys were out there, I guess there was some specialists and you were going to drive.

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Speaker 3: To see you remember this, he's pointing, and so juice there.

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Speaker 4: So Westby and Mac are driving in a rental car to go to to get a second opinion from a doctor.

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Speaker 3: And somehow these knuckleheads stop on the train tracks and the train's coming.

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Speaker 2: Is a crazy year.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, you guys were getting you had a driver.

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Speaker 2: Driver.

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 2: And mind you, the doctor for Houston was a specialist that did the surgery on my anchor. He was the specialist that he was the the guy, the national guy that that did. You know, everybody recommended and that's and that's who did it. And and I didn't even know he was the Houston Texans. So I'm like, oh, was were you supposed to work on me?

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Speaker 3: But I don't know what happened in the train tracks.

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Speaker 2: I was real silent. Listen. I'm the type I like to be on control, so I wasn't driving, so yeah, I was already nervous. And then when the guy stopped on the track, yeah, I was like, what the hell is going on? Why are you stopping on it? And and Ben had the same face, and it was crazy. It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: Ben said that he was like, hey, dude, like you gotta punch this thing, like get off these tracks. And you know, in his mind, the train went flying by your rear bumper just as you guys took it off, you know the movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's bad omens. You know, I don't know. I want. I'm glad I signed, but man, yeah, I felt like I had some kind of hex on me.

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Speaker 5: Somebody, well, you know, thinking of that hex us.

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Speaker 6: Let's continue talking about that old four season, Big said, I mean talking about it, I mean the Ricky deal, Dave leaving Jim Bates taking over the quarterback issue.

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Speaker 7: A J.

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Speaker 6: Phelly just mentioned a little bit. I mean, it just felt like it was one thing after the next. It had to be challenging, especially that position where you know, continuity is critical for you guys personally.

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Speaker 2: Me, I had experienced because I mean I didn't have my fourth season in San Diego, my very first rookie year. I didn't play, you know, but I experienced and really got a feel for the nuances how NFL players established celles and in and out of game situations. And we were one in fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Yeah, had lost that year.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand. Right, I'm around a bunch of veterans and I'm watching them. They still come to work. Everybody's still busting their tail during practices, and I'm working my tail off giving them a scout look and everything. At that time, I wasn't starting, you know, And I think the last three games I played special teams, so I was active the last three. But I got to experience, all right, listen this. I just went from a program in college where we never lost no more than maybe one game out of the whole year. And we look forward, we we're trying to get national champ you know, now, g sound weird. It was Case State. But we know it's prove ourself. It's in the books. We won a lot of games.

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Speaker 5: Google.

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Speaker 2: He said, yeah, you can google that. That's in the books. I think we were been in Penna State too. I'm sorry, but they all five of them years I was there. You know what, Now we gotta do some research work that down to ninety nine. I promise.

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Speaker 3: Gators were doing it.

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Speaker 5: I think that ninety five years. John is the year. I think they went twelve and oh that year for sure.

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Speaker 3: He was a freshman. Juice, he was a freshman.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. That was a freshman.

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Speaker 5: You got it saying we're gonna get this, We're gonna get there, write down right.

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Speaker 2: But I learned a lot, you know what I'm saying. I've been in a successful program. Then I also seen the loads in San Diego. Like I said, all four years there never been to the playoffs. We've improved and I went. I saw an older team to where we kind of converted into a younger team the following year. On my second year, I ended up being the start and left tackle and held it for three years straight. You know, we brought in quarterbacks like Doug Flutie. We drafted Drew, so Drew was behind him, you know. So I had a mix of different guys that I battled with and seeing the nuances of how a season go right. Had a two head coaches. First two years was Mike Riley, My last two years was coach Shottenheimer. Marty. I love Marty. He was awesome, awesome coach, one of my favorites. So going to Miami and going through that first season and see, I always kept level headed because you know, the season is always like this and you can't get caught up in the pressure because you're gonna feel there's obvious pressure in the building because the gold is win and we're not doing that. Hey, it trickles down from top to bottom and you got to be real with it. But you got to be professional and be able to handle it. Now, can everybody handle it? No, We had guys. We had a lot of guys, a lot of transition. Like I said, Ricky, we were expecting Ricky. Ricky was in there, he got suspended. Okay. We had a bunch of guys at our running back remembers. One of my good friends, Sammy Morris was one of them and we had some other guys, great guys. We had a veteran defense, you know, Sammy Knight. Of course, you had Madison certain Yeah, a great group of guys. But they're getting older, right, so if we're not doing our end on offense. It was an older group. Junior, Zach jt all them guys, Tim was there, boeings so and Larry Chester. You know, I love these guys. It's my boys. So we tried to really scrap it out that year. We didn't go to playoffs. Wasn't new to me, but I wanted to. You know, I expected to do better. I said, all right, listen, this team should have the foundation now. Granted, too many transitions ended up to where we just kept spinning that wheel and couldn't get passed, you know, in some progressive type of thing where we were winning on a consistent basis. Now the fun and then we had coach Bates takeover. I think he did awesome. I not lie because I was really geared. Even though I had ankle reconstruction earlier that year. I was geared to come back, and I got myself ready. I played a quarter in the last preseason game, just just to tune up and they said, no, we want to hold you back on game one. No problem. You know, I fully supported that there was a young tackle Smith, Smitty Smith. Uh Way, you guys drafted him out of Memphis.

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Speaker 3: Don't put that on me.

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Speaker 2: I I love Way, I love Way, but there's there's competition. I wish Wade would have played a different position, but for some reason, he was in the same position that I was brought. I got brought in for you guys. So I try to be ways mentor, but you know, a competition is competition. So eventually, you know, that second game I ended up playing, and I wanted to get into groove and really be part of the group. You know, we had a good, good group of linemen. That group right there I really liked. Had some young boys Seth McKinnie and some other ones that came in and we try to really make it uh blend and Jail. We had some quarterback changes. You know, was Jay Feedlers. He was there for a minute.

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Speaker 3: Fact he got hurt, got banged up, and that's when you got he got banned and then.

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Speaker 2: A j which was special.

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Speaker 3: But I got got glue injury at some point during the.

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Speaker 2: I got a story about that too. That was no glue was it was on his glue. But I remember he had a huge bruise on his on his on his glue, and he made a good play. He threw the ball and he got completed. And I remember I was back there and one of the players slept her right on his I heard the loud. He sounded like Mariah Carey. He hit that note.

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Speaker 5: You had the reaction, Yeah, the reaction. I think the reacting went viral, for things went viral. Maigs sense.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, we try to be gretty, trying to make the best of it. I didn't even remember, maybe so block at Jim. I don't even know what our record.

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Speaker 3: Was that year, but it was four and twelve, so you block. Yeah, absolutely, hey it was.

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Speaker 4: It was three games better than your first season in San Diego, So you know things were looking up. Let's move off four because oh four was a disaster. We're gonna move off of four. We can't, you know, there's no two ways around it. Warn twelve, Jim Bates did an admirable job, was not chosen as the next head coach, and they went to the college ranks, which at that time was something that was not I mean it was almost unheard of, but Nick Saban was ready to test the waters.

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Speaker 3: I think, really Jimmy was the only guy that had come.

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Speaker 4: From college and go to the pros. Well, I guess Barry Switzer took Jimmy's teams and had success. But so the Dolphins tried to replicate that they got a guy who had a national championship in college.

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Speaker 3: They bring in Nick Saban. Yes, we're gonna talk about the time, you know, and so I and actually, well let's let's start about.

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Speaker 2: Street.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, tell us about the history.

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Speaker 2: And then was there.

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Speaker 7: Where I was going to Is it Michigan State history? No, no, no, it's a recruiting, recruiting out of high school, out of high school. So you know, as I was being recruited, and I told you, Miami told me go ahead and take my visits. So the schools that were recruiting me, Michigan State was one of them, and coach Saban was the head coach at the time there.

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Speaker 2: So I knew nothing about anything north of Florida. You know, I'm a West Indian kid, so anything south Florida and down that That's what I was about at the time. So to me, it was like a field trip to go fly away up there and see another part of the country that I'm like, oh and it's cold. So so my host was Plexical Bearers, so so they matched me on what plex Plex showed me. It was awesome. I was enjoying the scenery. Now was I ready to make a decision right then and there? Especially so soon? And in my head I was going to Miami. But you know, I ain't gonna set out, you know, tell any other schools at right at the time, you know, I was to myself, I'm not like these kids with Twitter and let their business now. I kept to myself. Anyways, I met coach Saban the day I flew in and I said in his office and you know, it was great and he was talking to me. I said, Coach, this is this is an awesome experience. You know, I've never been in the Midwest. I see myself out here. I would definitely go home and speak with my parents about this. This is definitely going to be on top of my list. So he looked at me and he said, you're not going to commit right now, And I said, I was a yes, sir, no, sir. You know, I'm not an arrogant kid. At that time. I was yes, sir, no, sir, very humble kid and respectful. I said, Sir, I would like to go home and speak, you know, go over my parents and there'll be a decision that you know, I always run it through my parents, and that's how I was brought up. And he did not like that. He's like, I mean, I ain't gonna cuss, but he looked at me. He cussed. I'm just telling you tell me who I think I am doing. I think I'm some boy, big shot. Do you know? He flew me home that same day.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get him out of here.

00:28:27
Speaker 2: So when I got home, I told my mom, anybody from Michigan State call here. I'm not interested. Now. Granted I've never done that before, and I felt, I felt, I felt hurt, right, you know, that was my first experience. I didn't even know who Nick Saban was, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, uh, I was like, listen, man, I got I got brought up to Florida State. Coach Rick recruited me. Mark Rick, he was a OCO at Florida State, and he brought me up there three times, one official and two unofficial, and they would recruit me hard. And I had Miami and I guess Pitt University. They trying to sell me on Johnny Major's come back. I'm like, who this is him coming back for retirement. And he was old then, so you know, I had schools, I had options. I'm sitting there like, why how did I just I was like and in my head, I was like, did I say something wrong? So I felt really embarrassing, hurt of that, that whole confrontation. Now, granted, I said, all right, that chapter is done, right, lo and behold that was in ninety five, ninety four, ninety.

00:29:40
Speaker 3: Five, right, Yes, there's a decade later.

00:29:42
Speaker 2: There'll go two thousand and five. And I see Nick Saban walking down the hallway. I was like, oh my gosh. So I'm like, you don't remember me? And Nick? This is right when they hired him. And he's walking and I'm walking past him, and I didn't want to say nothing, so I kind of was gonna say, good morning, coach. That's about it. He stops, he looks at me, he goes, I remember you, and he walks off ship. I said, I'm getting cut. I'm getting cut, and it's not because my performance, I'm getting cut off of all grievouses.

00:30:24
Speaker 3: I didn't come to Michigan State.

00:30:29
Speaker 5: Can I tell you?

00:30:30
Speaker 6: Can I interject real quick, big Seth and Man, please please you know Misigan State was one of the schools that was recruiting me out of out of out of Ohio as well. This brings back some full circle right here because I was honorary captain one year and Nick was the head coach and introduced myself. He said the exact same thing to me. I remember you, that's on everything. I wouldn't I wouldn't, I wouldn't give Michigan State a visit.

00:30:57
Speaker 2: He was pissed off.

00:30:58
Speaker 5: Man seemed like he's more a game.

00:31:00
Speaker 2: You take it personally. He took it person That is hilarious.

00:31:05
Speaker 3: It's hilarious.

00:31:06
Speaker 4: Well, man, I was gonna ask if if what the perception was meant the reality, but apparently it did. And so now this is funny. The thing I'm gonna ask you is not funny. There was a story that that came out and it didn't. I don't even know if you were there, but it happened one of your guys on the line, and so I want.

00:31:26
Speaker 2: To ask you this there.

00:31:28
Speaker 3: It is so because Heath Evans and I'm on, you know, I'm only bringing this out. Heith Evans made it publicly. So you were yeah, because they said there were four or five linemen.

00:31:36
Speaker 2: Maybe you were all together heat and and Gino dropped from from heat exhaustion.

00:31:42
Speaker 3: Yea in the hall.

00:31:43
Speaker 2: Gena, Now you gotta you gotta, you gotta know Gino. Gino go one hundred miles per hour. Yeah, right, and he ain't gonna tell you you're hurting. So of course it's it's mindy, it's hot. We out there two days we grinded. Gino collapsed while we were walking into the facility. He's right at the doorstep and I hate to say, but yeah, Coach Saban walked right over him, didn't even look just walked over like stepped over him like like Alan Iverson and walked down the hall and then tend to ask what happened to Gino after he walked over, instead of just seeing the situation right, It just felt disconnect. He was not a personal person. I understand that, but a lot of guys was really they felt their their perception and they didn't have a lot of respect. They really didn't have no respect for him, you know what I'm saying. So so it became a very awkward situation after that. I'm not going to say he did it on purpose, but his personality is a little more It's hard to swallow, especially at that level. You know, I've been around great coaches, and like I said, Marty Schenheimer, I love him. He was so personal. You know, he come over even if you're doing bad, He's gonna, you know, hug you up and say, hey, listen, you need to do that, and coach you up. But he'll come at you. But at the same time, you feel you want that information from him and you want to hear from whereas saving you're trying to avoid him as much as possible. It's a different you know what I'm saying.

00:33:24
Speaker 6: It's a difference one when you want to Johnson man, you would want to avoid them cats man, you know you don't.

00:33:29
Speaker 5: It's hard. It's a tough locker. You're there all day.

00:33:33
Speaker 6: But when you kind of duck somebody all the time because of their personality, it's a tough deal all day long.

00:33:40
Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, you know, And you had coaches like that and anybody that was under the parcels tree they normally and saving was definitely under that tree. I've heard the same thing with Bill Parcells or the old Giants court head coach that was a Jaguars head coach, Coach Coughlin. They all had the same It's that same resume where you know, hey, when you go play for them, listen, you bet there's all business, all business, no doubt about it. There's nothing wrong with it. But it's gonna be. They're not gonna make it comfortable. They want an uncomfortable environment. You gotta know that going in there. So it's either you're able to handle it or you don't.

00:34:26
Speaker 6: You know, well, Mac, I mean it's moving forward. That two thousand and five season got off to a similar start as a year before. But then but then after three and seven start, you know, something really click with you guys. You guys went six straight to close out of the year. What changed and how fun was that for things to start rolling the right way? And of course we had drafted Ronnie Brown and Ricky was back and you got an opportunity to block for those guys.

00:34:50
Speaker 2: So what it changed that point, Well, you know, it's starting to have some momentum to have some continuity, some you know guys really been able to be able to ain't drives. You were you you witness it, and we were able to really you know, flourish as a whole team offense, defense, special teams. Right. We brought in some guys that were key guys. Ronnie got Ricky back Ricky and that they played a key role. We had pretty solid quarterback playing. We were we're still in the merryle Go round. I think we had Joey Harrington, my boy, my boy, cal Pepper.

00:35:26
Speaker 3: That was that was six?

00:35:27
Speaker 2: Was that six?

00:35:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, you still had I'm gonna ask you about that situation.

00:35:31
Speaker 2: But this came I think my I think my saving years. It's this cloudy situation. I was just trying to survive. Mind you, those were my what my fifth, sixth, and seventh year in the league. So I'm just trying to make sure I do my job and don't I already felt I was already on the edge. And you know, you on a pirate shipping, you're about to get pushed off that plank. I was on that edge. I was like, oh, listen, I do won't give him no reason to push me off. I really want to stay home.

00:36:06
Speaker 4: Apparently you know my reason back like eleven years earlier, you gave me the reason.

00:36:15
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm gonna stick to it. I was a good kid.

00:36:18
Speaker 5: That's too funny.

00:36:22
Speaker 4: So as we said finish that year strong, six in row, everybody was feeling really good, like this is the team we should have been.

00:36:29
Speaker 3: It's absolutely going to be the team that we're going to be in the sixth season. It was kind of cool.

00:36:34
Speaker 4: We had Jason Garrett on earlier this year, who was the quarterbacks coach, gave us an unbelievable kind of detail of the decisions that were being made at the quarterback position, and what the team decided was Gus was good, but there were so many other great parts around this team that they needed to be a step above where Gus was at. Wanted to sign a big free agent quarterback and they had a choice. They had a choice between Drew Brees or between Dante Culpeper.

00:37:03
Speaker 3: And that's what you just said. You just said the words that I want to ask you, my old teammate, So we know what happened.

00:37:09
Speaker 4: History's there. Dolphin fans are sick every time we bring this up. Jason Garrett told us an incredible story as to how the decision was made. And I also in defense of the doctors, understand that Drew Brees is his tear of his rotator cuff was like historically bad and so I get all of that, and he probably overcame the odds. It was probably an admarition. What happened anominally what happened with him and great for him. Did anybody come to you and say, hey man, you were just with this kid. Did anybody say tell us about Drew Brees?

00:37:40
Speaker 2: Did that stuff? You didn't want?

00:37:47
Speaker 5: You didn't want to be up there? Mack, No, I don't want.

00:37:49
Speaker 2: For three years, I was incognito. But I knew Drew. Would you know when we drafted Drew and granted Drew's second pick, Ladani was the first pick, Drew his second. But the way Drew handed himself, how he holds himself, you knew he was a leader. You knew he always he held himself that way. That's why he spoke. He never wavered from that, so he knew it was in faith. That's why he was when he walked down as a rookie. He always wanted to prove, you know, get himself better. And he led by example, and he learned under the tutolage of Doug Flutie, who also was always out there. Granted, him being short made it real hard for me to block because he was scrambling like crazy. But Drew wasn't exacting, No, he wasn't. So it was almost the same. Whether it was him or Doug. Drew always had command of the offense, you know what I'm saying, Whether his rookie year or even years after, you could see it, and it just manifested. And I think that was his main quality. Now, Granted, physically, yeah, he wasn't the strongest, he wasn't the tallest, but he was very efficient. He's gonna he's gonna execute a play, the player's gonna get executed, and we're gonna move the ball. That would have been a great quality if we were able to have Drew. Yes, they did not. The doctors did not want him here. I don't know why, but he ended up doing great things in New Orleans, which I knew he was gonna do.

00:39:24
Speaker 6: I didn't know he was gonna, you know, to like Marino level. I don't think anybody did. I don't think anybody did. Yeah, I think he used to be successful. You know what I'm saying. That was no question because he was a positive.

00:39:37
Speaker 2: Everybody gravitated to him and and he was a leader of men, you know what I'm saying. So I knew success it oozed out of him. He's a great guy. He's a great guy in the locker room. He was easy. I mean, like I said, he was a leader. And when I say leader, it's not someone that you like, oh I gotta follow, it's like you want to follow, you see what I'm saying. And when you want to do something for some reason, the group, it just shows and it shines and it and it just looked like a confident group. So and you were just talking about what was it the five season? I think Gus Gus had that same thing. We were. We were comfortable and consistent with Gus, which ooh's confident. And I think when we made that run we almost made the playoffs, we felt good about that. We had stability. Now the following year, you know, no gusts another change. After you don't got used to somebody that was consistent, you don't know what you're gonna get. And the next year is what it was.

00:40:40
Speaker 5: I hear that man well, you know, we're not gonna talk about that next year.

00:40:44
Speaker 3: I don't think beat him up enough about it.

00:40:47
Speaker 5: We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna come out of this sweating. We're just gonna.

00:40:53
Speaker 6: We just want to hold you for a few more minutes, man, because you've been even super grace with the time. Man, But we have to ask you this, this, this was one question. We never know what we're going to find out when we when we start prepping, when Seth starts prepping for an episode, and then doing this research, this one, I mean, this one we uncovered with super Special Man. Seth mentioned at the top of the show that you went to MacArthur High School and then that you played college ball in Kansas State where at one point you were a defense alignment. If I am not mistaken, I mean you were a defense alignment said at one point, right, okay, And so as a freshman, there was another guy in your meeting room, all big twelve, but there was another guy in your meeting room by the name of John nine. Oh, at least that's what we thought his name was. Tell us about that unbelievable story.

00:41:44
Speaker 7: How you know that story?

00:41:46
Speaker 3: Research? We don't just show up for the got a little bit.

00:41:53
Speaker 2: Oh, y'all did a deep time. Alright, alright, so right, all right, this is my this is my first year at k State. We had a good little of course. Yeah. When I got there, I saw other recruits coming from other places. You know, I'm trying to measure up to you know, what's out there, because again, all I knew was Florida, and all I could think of was Florida. We up here and everybody, I'm sorry, that's just how we thought.

00:42:25
Speaker 5: Look before.

00:42:28
Speaker 6: Let me let you know, living down here all this time, man, I definitely put I put Florida at the top of the food chain.

00:42:35
Speaker 2: Bro. That's what damn sure see is in your is in your blood. Once it had got in your blood, you became a Florid.

00:42:41
Speaker 5: Right.

00:42:43
Speaker 6: And watching Florida football continues, it's like, yes, it's nothing like what we did. I think Ohio is like number four. I'll take number four. Is that cool? Florida, Texas, California. Yeah, you're consistent the fifty states. They said, that's doing pretty good. Fifty states A go ahead, Mac, I'm sorry.

00:43:02
Speaker 2: So I see this, I see this. You know, big guy and you know he had a country twang. I ain't used to hear in Twain. I'm from South Florida. It'd been different if I if I grew up in North Florida, where the twang at. But we didn't have Twains down here, right, So I'm here in the Twain and he's like, yeah, my name is Johnny Not and I'm like, okay. So John was a real dinner and he was there done. I'm talking about right at the beginning, when you just when we just got there and I see I was like, oh man, we got size, we got I'm like, okay, we can we can make a run. We could be you know, and and from the guys that they had there, I said, okay, we could be special. John was a character. And the funny thing is, you know he had all the physical tools, this and that. But I knew he was in I hate said book spark and he was always in I saw mis study hall. He was one of them permanent people in there. It's bad that we knew that and we just got that's not funny. But I mean some dudes that they need to stay there, they really do. I have a team, they said, need to stay there all four years. Yes, John was there for a hot minute, and all of a sudden the season started. Yeah we end up. I'm getting used, and all of a sudden the boy is gone. Nobody don't know where's John. I don't know. Ain't nobody know where he went? Nobody knew nothing disappear. Okay, I don't even know what happened to John. Now years don't went by. I think I heard his name talking about he was on practice squad or something with the chiefs. I like, who's that? I said, Oh, on that John? Not what the hell you went? Cause I didn't know where he went. I didn't know if he transferred. I don't know. I didn't know anything. And that was brief. I just saw like something clipping or something. And one of my boys said, hey, ain't that Johnny. I'm like, that looked like him. Okay. Now this is the time that Facebook is starting to roll around. I get a message d Mac, what's up?

00:45:14
Speaker 5: And I look.

00:45:14
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm looking at the name on Facebook. I'm like, I don't know who this is? Who is Jaron Avery?

00:45:21
Speaker 4: Who is this?

00:45:23
Speaker 2: Who is this? And I see the face? I said, boy, you look for me? And I had to think bam, like okay, and he goes, d Matt, you might you might know me as John Not And I said, I said, oh okay. I said, I said, now what are you doing? And he goes, yeah, I got a story to tell you. I was like, okay, what's up? And then he tells me a whole spiel and I get the background and find out what happened. He went there on a false name, on somebody else's name some situation. He's from Baltimore area, I think, and he took a name of somebody and he was being recruited through that name, and I think it had to do something with his learning disability.

00:46:16
Speaker 3: Correct. So he was dyslexic apparently, and so he had to take all these remedial classes growing up, had no grades, was being recruited as what was the name Jared Jared Ay, Jared Avery.

00:46:30
Speaker 4: In his local area, and you know, he was six five to eighty, the whole thing and the package, right, But then they West Virginia or something. I read this article and they were like, yeah, you're you're not going to qualify anyway. No, so he goes to his best friend, Johnny Not, who's five to ten in white.

00:46:49
Speaker 3: And took his name, took his identity, like they schemed this thing up.

00:46:53
Speaker 5: They were together. He didn't steal it.

00:46:55
Speaker 2: They did.

00:46:55
Speaker 5: They decided to get it.

00:46:57
Speaker 3: He didn't steal it. He borrowed it in.

00:46:59
Speaker 2: Case they brought the man. I was like, this boy's supposed to be prop forty back.

00:47:09
Speaker 1: Man.

00:47:09
Speaker 2: He did a whole scheme and my job was dropped. When he told me, I was like, he said, I felt they were gonna catch on to me, so I had to split and I couldn't tell nobody.

00:47:20
Speaker 3: I said, that's why you disappeared, just disappeared.

00:47:23
Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't keep the lie going. I'm like, I just shook my haird I was like, dude, I was like, you use somebody else's name, like this is for real. I was like, this is a movie star. You know this ain't real. This does sounds fictional to men. But yeah, I'm surprised you knew that.

00:47:42
Speaker 3: I found that there was barely there.

00:47:44
Speaker 2: I found it was part of my Yeah, he was part of my recruiting class, and he was oh Jay. When I say he was barely there, it probably like two months and he was gone. Granted. The reason why I knew him because the boy he was, he was he had a physical statue and he played D Lin So I ain't never seen d Liman like him, Like, I mean, I played d Lion, but I'm six ft. He looked like he looked like, uh, like a Leon Lett, a younger leon Lett body type.

00:48:15
Speaker 6: You know, was he really was he really a teenager at that point. Maybe he wasn't even he maybe maybe wasn't right.

00:48:22
Speaker 4: He was of age, everything was, but he just had it wasn't even just that he didn't have the grades. He had, as Max said, like a learning disability, and so he could he couldn't read, He couldn't read or write. But he he was smart enough to say, okay, I can't go to schools that are within I think he had taken Michigan State. I think he took the trip to Michigan State. So he couldn't go there because they knew the Avery kid. And then he couldn't go, and so he he ends up being that's how he ends up in Kansas State. But then there was no stats, there's no film, there's nothing on Johnny Nott. And so when he shows up to practice the first day at six five to eighty and he's got all the techniques and the swim moves and stuff, and it was like something just doesn't.

00:49:02
Speaker 3: Seem have this skill set and everything, and.

00:49:07
Speaker 4: And then he disappears, goes to a D three school and he's a D three All American as Jared Avery.

00:49:13
Speaker 2: Yeah is that crazy? That why? Nobody knew nothing. But we were looking, We're like, where's John Not that's all we knew. That's all we knew. And the funny thing is when we were coming in as a freshman class and as a recruiting class period, because we had Juco guy. Everybody at Highlight but John.

00:49:31
Speaker 3: Not no film.

00:49:33
Speaker 2: He's got nothing, none, none, didn't need it.

00:49:35
Speaker 4: Just walked into six five two eighty. You guys ever seen The Usual Suspects? Yeah, spoiler alert if you haven't seen The Usual Suspects.

00:49:42
Speaker 2: It was like a spine.

00:49:44
Speaker 3: It's like verbal can when it turns in. The guys are so.

00:49:46
Speaker 2: Saying to fun, okay, that would happen. And I found out many I got the I got the truth many years later. But yeah, that was one of those those things like all right, we don't this guy disappeared and nobody know why. We're like, did the coaches kick him off. Did he do something because he was like I said, he was always he was a permanent fixture and study all gone, permanent gone. So I know he had great situation. I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, he need help, that's all good. Ain't nobody gonna mess with you on that. But then when you disappear, I'm like, ay, you do something wrong because I want to know, so that way, I don't do it, don't.

00:50:30
Speaker 4: That's a permanent that guy, Damien McIntosh is indeed Damien McIntosh. All right, I'm gonna move into the final segment. But before I do, Juice, you put me on the hunt. You wanted me to do the research nineteen ninety five to nineteen ninety nine, Penn State versus Kansas State.

00:50:45
Speaker 3: You ready for the results? Here we go, all right, from ninety five to.

00:50:49
Speaker 5: Nineue, are you doing the moy Povich announcement here?

00:50:52
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about moriy Povich.

00:50:54
Speaker 5: Okay, don't start talk.

00:50:56
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna give you the data.

00:50:57
Speaker 4: So Penn State won a total forty eight games from ninety five to ninety nine. Total forty eight games. It's an average of nine point six wins per season, and their average finish was twelve point eighth in the ap F. In the AP rankings average finish twelve point k State from ninety five to ninety nine SAM featuring Damian McIntosh and almost Johnny Knot was fifty two total wins average of ten point four wins per year, and their average finish was nine point sixth in the country. So ninety five to ninety nine, k State did.

00:51:31
Speaker 3: Have a better run than Penn State. Dad bus and passing judgement.

00:51:36
Speaker 5: If you do one more research, but bowl games they go to, I'll have to do that.

00:51:40
Speaker 2: I'll tell you. No, we don't need to do no research. I can tell you. Look, my ball rings are right there.

00:51:44
Speaker 1: Right all.

00:51:47
Speaker 6: He's got all five won, he won all those games. You want to give you one fest Well, okay, no, I got cotton. That's enough, dog, that's enough.

00:51:58
Speaker 2: We're gonna move.

00:51:59
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep it moving, keep it moving right there. I want to tell you about one all right, Look.

00:52:05
Speaker 5: We end all.

00:52:07
Speaker 3: This is funny.

00:52:07
Speaker 4: We end every episode of this podcast the same way. It's the fish tank two minute drill. I know our offensive lineman like to get down the field fast, get this thing punched in the end zone. So we're putting two minutes on the clock. We're gonna hit you with some fast paced questions, hopefully some fun questions. We'll see if we can score a touchdown.

00:52:23
Speaker 3: Get you out of here.

00:52:24
Speaker 2: Sound good? Sounds good?

00:52:25
Speaker 5: All right? Clock ready back up here we go. All right.

00:52:28
Speaker 6: You were born in Kingston, Jamaica and moved to South Florida to the age of four. Where can we find the best Jamaican food in the Track County area?

00:52:35
Speaker 2: Diane, JAMAI be four. I love going Donna's. Donna's always is solid. But don't buy the petty all right, for patty pastry, I'm going to finger licking or taste. No, actually I like finger licking, but I like taste right better.

00:52:53
Speaker 3: All Right, there it is, take it right from the man.

00:52:55
Speaker 4: Okay, next question, As we just said, born in Jamaica, raised in South Florida. However, you owned a family water sports business seventy seven Marine in Ohio. Help us understand that choice.

00:53:09
Speaker 2: So I had a buddy of mind also, he was a finance guy, and we became real good friends. He pretty much got me into it, and it basically it was just an investment, and I got to learn a lot because I did a lot of I went with him to a lot of functions and things of that nature in the sporting boat industry, the inline sporting boat industry, I learned a lot. I found it very fascinating, especially at the tail end of my career. So I wanted to get in something that I felt that was gonna be interesting and fun to get into. That was one of one of many investments. It was fun while it lasted for a bit, but you know, I got into it. He was from Dayton, Ohio, so we kind of I just went with it and all right, we'll just we'll basic it out there because I think y'all got more lakes than us. So we went out that way and it was cool. We were all over the place, and and we we dealt with skiing antigue and some other brands. But I really enjoyed learning a lot about that whole That whole thing went while it lasted at the time.

00:54:26
Speaker 5: No doubt about it. Okay, keep it moving.

00:54:28
Speaker 6: Over the course of your career, you played for some really high profile head coach. We've talked about a lot of We talked about Marty Scharton Hunter, talking about Dave Wants, that Nick Saban and also Herm Edwards. I love you had a couple offensive coordinators in San Diego whose offense fans are familiar with North Turner and Cam Cameron. If all of these coaches, of all them sat down at the same table for epic poker night, right, who was the first guy to lose all their money? Who's the guy that's gonna take all the cash home?

00:54:58
Speaker 2: The first one that's gonna lose all the money? He can't hold his emotion, was coach shot, He's gonna drop a tear on a dime when he can't hold his face for nothing. And you already know and like, oh, ild the one I don't trust is Herm because he one of us, and I'm like, I like her. You commanded respect in the room, but you still want us, I can tell you. And when we not, when we're not in the meat room, you talk like I don't trust her in a poker game. So yeah, good.

00:55:34
Speaker 3: So Hern's taking home all the money for Marty's going home. He's got nothing.

00:55:38
Speaker 2: Emotions, especially if the raiders involved. He hate him.

00:55:44
Speaker 3: All right? Final question.

00:55:46
Speaker 4: You're giving this interview in the fish tank, and at one point in your life you owned a three hundred gallon saltwater aquarium. If you had to add some type of exotic sea creature into our fish tank with me and juice, what would fit best with the two of us?

00:56:02
Speaker 2: I would say, I love I love salt water tanks, and I love the arrangements of coral reef type of fish, the colors and just just how they are. Uh. I say, maybe a parrot rasp fish would be great because it's a color. But that that fish ain't nothing to you know, play around with. They hold their home, but they're gonna they're gonna show their colors. They showing they behind.

00:56:30
Speaker 3: So what we need is exactly what we need.

00:56:33
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Rash the parrot, the par of fish.

00:56:37
Speaker 4: The parrotfish in the fish tank with juice and says that is the two minute drill is a McIntosh.

00:56:43
Speaker 3: This was a lot of funny.

00:56:46
Speaker 2: It was an honor o J. I briefly met you when I was a kid out of high school when I came out to training camp, and he was awesome. He was a professional, even if I didn't know him. He said, ex ample and and I am I am honored to say that. You know, I'm an alumni you know with you and I really appreciate you guys having me on. I really enjoyed my time here Miami. I'm glad I'm back home, and I'm glad I'm able to do a lot of community service here as a dog, as a former Dolphin alum, and I'm proud to do that on a regular basis.

00:57:23
Speaker 5: Appreciate the kind word, Dammion Man, and thanks for diving in man for sure that.

00:57:28
Speaker 1: Sir, you're now diving.

00:57:33
Speaker 3: Just like JUW said.

00:57:34
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