Doug Betters: Do a Good Turn Daily

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Speaker 1: You're now diving who then sitting down with Seth Oh Jay je je. Well, and this is strictly for them true number one one of course, y'all. This ain't the other Nerver sports talk.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Fish Tank, presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins podcast network, Seth Lovitt and the only podcaster to bowl a perfect game and lead the NFL in receptions. He's O. J McDuffie, Juice, how you feeling today?

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Speaker 1: Except that's still factual. I mean you say that.

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Speaker 2: It's right until someone proves it wrong, juice, and no one has been able to step up and tell me that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's right, man. I'm good man, I'm good man.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm always happy to get on with some former Dolphins man. But this gentleman right here that we got today, man, is one of my all time favorites.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing how you connect with some guys and you never play with them, but you get to meet him and you get to know him, man, and how much you love him, bro.

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be a special one for us today for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, the love is real because we've got Doug Betters in the house, Doug, how you feeling today.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm feeling good, feeling good. I'm still out west here, heading back to Florida real soon, getting cold, starting to rain and get snowycoming. So it's time to head back and white and for those hurricanes to leave. And then I kind of play it between the snow and the hurricanes to find my time to get back into Florida. We're looking for it. My wife's at Floridian and it's been rough here, man, but we're we're excited to get back and really blessed to have the chance to be out here. So so I'm still in Montanna for a little while, and Make said we'll be leaving next week. But now I feel good. You know, I'm just getting getting older and better looking every day.

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Speaker 3: You know, all those beautiful grays, all those beautiful grays that turn the white, Doug.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I think it's a lightning here in Florida talking about producer about this lighting. I gotta get some get some real or something. But yeah, I can see. Okay, you kind of you kind of had a back on me though. Man, I got a little bit of like glaring me on your forehead right now.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, that's going on. I know I got to get some Where's where's my makeup at? Where's makeup at?

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Speaker 1: Doug? I should have got I got a yes to look shorter, Doug. Good.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you getting cleaned up for us. So, Doug is kind of we were talking about before we press record here. The purpose of our show is really to tell the best Miami Dolphins stories that have never been heard. But Juice and I also like bringing in stories and the people who live them that need to be brought back to the forefront. So the fact of the matter is that you delivered really one of the most impressive Miami Dolphin's careers of all time. And uh, I think like a lot of our younger listeners, they go to the stadium, maybe they'll look up there at the honor roll and they'll see the names and it's just kind of a name on the honor roll. Maybe they've heard of the Killer Bees, and we're going to talk about all those things today. But we really want these folks to kind of know that Doug Betters was a badass. And so if our goal is to talk about you as the badass, there is no better way than for us to go straight to the nineteen eighty three season. You kick off that season basically matching your entire nineteen eighty two sack total. We play the Bills, Joe Ferguson, you sack them four times. You never look back. You finished the year with sixteen sacks, seventy six tackles. I can go on for a while here. June four passes defense, two forts, fumbles, four funnel recoveries, and you're named the NFL's defensive Player of the Year. Talk about that nineteen eighty three season and was there ever a point in time where you're like, man, they just can't stop me out here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I you know, I consider myself a good player. I'm not great. I was. You know, I don't put them I'm not a Hall of Famer. But you know what the thing about us back in the day is that we played for Bill Archsberger and you have to be unselfish in the team. Guy. You know you did take And I shared an auto interview with Bill way back and he said, you know, I just know that if I got eleve of guys that don't worry about who gets the depress eleven guys that don't have to have the glory. You are just not Prima Donna's. They were playing for their teammates and for the team. He says, I can win the football game. And I think that's the kind of the feeling that they had back then. She let's say that often. You know, he's going like, hey, if you don't like it, here, I can shuffle you right off to the buffalo. Cause I got ten guys in the wings barking to get in. But you know, we did our job. We stayed within the parameters of the defense. We played solid that way, and I just got lucky. I mean the first was four sacks. I didn't play against Joe Devlin, who was a heack of an offensive tackle. I got schooled by him more times than not. I got his backup in his backup, ended up flying. He's a commercial pilot now. I ran into him. The name is Chris Kristofferson's or something like that. But I saw I thought Joe wasn't suiting up. I got this guy. I'm going, okay, getting a little easier now, and then Boat Chase to bunch him over to me. I mean, I had a falling down one time. We got tripped over me a couple of them. You know, we're just just you know, after coverage sacks and there's one fit. There's one picture of me on the highlight when I'm coming out. I'm just like shaking my head, like going like they think, well, I'm the luckiest SOB the day because I got four sacks, and maybe two of them I deserve. Two of them fell on my lap. I was just it's the way things go. You know. Us guys up front were trying to get the sacks, but so many times I set it up for bow or most times, I think most of both sacked because I set them up for him. Because he's he's running outside at the beginning of the edge rusher. He goes like, we don't have edge rushers now, and he's supposed to be two gaping. I don't know. I'm not gonna play it. Two gaps my head, Baker, I'm gonna run a field to run around me again. So he was a linebacker to put into most scary you know, old school out of defense. But then back in eighty three, you know, kind of hitting out all cylinder and all I was injury free. I had worked hard on the off season and was out ready for it and played with a bunch of good guys. We had a lot of camaraderie in our team, and you know, it's just one of those perfect storms. You know, after eighty four, I got beat up a little bit more, but you know, I still came back and I got fourteen saction eighty four and I'm still playing all right. But then father times started catching up with me, and I got a lower back injury that kind of started ailing me, and that slowed me down coming out of stands, and then I did my tweaked and knee didn't have any surgery on it, but you know, then that got me in and and then after a while, it's just you know, the old body just doesn't jump back like it used to. And you know, when you're a rookie, you can go out on Monday and go golfing or play tennis, or go swimming or something. When you're thirty years old, Monday, you're still laying in bed, just kind of go, I'm a sleep another ten hours before I have to get up and do this again. You know, the body comes catching up with you. But those are really great times. Just fortunate to be able to play in a scheme that got us to you know, seel if we won with Shoelum, you wouldn't want to lose with that guy. He made a hell on you. If you're eight, you know, eight and eight. So if you're going to be doing fourteen or something, man, I don't I don't think i'd want to go to work. I was playing in those days. But we won a lot of football games and everything went. Once you win everything, you know, your wife's prettier, your dog's they're looking, your kids are, you know, great, everything's perfect. It's the real test is when you have adversity and kind of come back from that. And we know about what's happening right now with the team and you know will always be Dolphins. We always have to reflect on that, and it's hard to see that and we just you know, got to hold out and just keep playing and get up. And everybody gets knocked down, you've got to get back up and keep fighting harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And speaking of adversity, what's crazy. So I don't know that you've seen the Dolphins new facility, but the facility that mister Ross built it is unbelievable. It's got to be one of the nicest, if not the nicest, in the entire National Football League. But that year, the year that you were voted as the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year, they took a poll and the Saint Thomas University was voted as the worst facility in the entire National Football League?

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Speaker 1: Is that right? That's too funny that you mentioned that good. I got on an offsetin I don't think my rookie year. You remember his ed Pope and some of the gold Cress guys, and they really prefendered us. I love to add in Levittard and somebody these guys and manks Mannix was there and we really got to be friends with these guys. And he got me on the day off I had, you know, on the off season, and we got to talking and about he got something to do or not not really, I'm kind of hanging out. He goes, well, matter if we jaff for a while ago. About two hours later, I get off the phone with him and I got done talking and go like, you know, I finally got I'm gonna started talking. I gotta remember this guy. Though you know, I might be a Harold Press guy, He's not like you know, I wonder if I might like you know. So the next morning I get a phone call about seven thirty in the mornings from and Coach Shoe, the secretary, and she goes hold on the phone for coach and I go. I get jump up, put both feet on the ground, and go, matter, get in here. I need to talk to you. I go, okay, well, just get in here. I need to talk to you. I go like, okay, well I'll be in here about a half hour. All right, whatever did get in here? I figured out? Man. So I got to my front torch, get to bury me Harold reading a freaking front page of the players discontent at the front office, and god, here it starts, and it's just I was going, like, I think one of the questions you asked me, because why are you leaving to go back to, you know, leaving Miami. I go, you know, I'm on a redhead in a tropic man, it's not as hard on me. I like to be in the mountain. I like to go home to Montana, you know, go skiing and stuff. And he goes, well, why don't you like Miami? Goes, I is not I don't like Miami. It's just a lot different than where I'm coming from or whatever. It's interesting because I got recruited by the Universal of Miami. It didn't four years before that. I didn't want to come here because it was too hot and I didn't think buying me to work out for me. And I came back and I'm talking. I'm reading this article and he goes, okay, and he goes like, uh, well, what do you what don't you like about Miami? Well, you know, the training, come on into working out. He goes, well, like a facility sucks, man. You've seen that place. You know we have a workout. We had a chainling fence around a swimming pool with some weights outside of a fan. He goes, we can't have one of the worst facilities in the NFL. And they go, what do you need? Like that place? Is that with a dive? He got cockroach is running around the places. The dump an kidney and it gives me. The article goes on and on and on about this. This ain't good. So I go down to the office. I walk in the door. You know, the secretary are kind of looking at me and goes, oh, hi, Doug, Hey, how you doing. Oh we're fine. So I go back, I go and as he tried to winners. He's a player personnel guy. He goes, fine, you read an article. I play stupid. I go like, I gotta play dumb on this. I go, no, what are you talking about? You know? He goes, hey, Charlie, do you got to you got to copy of that article? You goes nobody the copy of the article in his file that they had already met me, a photo copy of the fix that I was sitting in my personal file. I read. I'm sitting there reading this thing on the Holy kid, what am I going to say about this? And if she is in there going like he has to respond to. One of his comments was I don't know how he does. This is the worst facility in the league. He's only been here for a year. We don't have How does he know this is the worst one. I kept when I'm coming in. He's a best control truck spraying in the parking. But you know, the next week next year, they made that. Remember remember old day, that old executive locker room where the Danny and Don are set down in their little shower room. Well, I think I started, I think my inputs on that improving facilities. But but so I get into the office with you, man, this ain't good. I kind of come in. I'm like, have my hat in my hand. I'm kind of keep my head down. He goes like, what the fuck? What the fuck is going on here? What do you mean? He's like, you know, I can hear. I can do something about that. I can get you out of here. I can make a phone call and you out of here tomorrow. I go, you know, want to stick around? I got? He goes that silent laughing his We just kind of bombs up and down. It doesn't make any noise. But yeah, you just learned your first lesson. Just watch it from now and coach you. I love it here. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to give you the bat you yeah, yeah, yeah, just get the fuck on here. I got to say the first efforts, so there you go. But yeah, but I can't say, like, yeah, I love don Chell. He was a first game I ever played, was the Hall of Fame game, and I was expecting to hear. We go down to Canton and we had this. You know, that's the second worst facility in the NFL. Can't locker room. That one's pretty bad. But it was. We're in I'm watching all these guys getting ready, and Larry's oompting greasy and Larry Little and all these guys, the guys I was watching on TV a couple of years ago. And I'm in the same locker with him, you know, and he've been around it for a while, so I'm getting more kind of used to it. But I've nen't seen him in a game experience. And I see that gets up there and I gotta get ready to do like a little pregame talk, and I figure, okay, here comes the magic. You know, this guy's won so many games, you can, you know, say something's gonna lift us solid to the stapere. We're gonna go out there and play amazing. And he goes, all right, Veterans will play a series, second team, we'll do a couple of quarters and try not to get hurt. The bustle be forty five minutes after the game, Okay, let's go. And that was it. We get out on the sidelines and I'm standing right next to watching Chill and everything you know he does, and he starts talking and he starts cussing, but the rest and he's talking about, you know, he he just liked he started around a little like the just shut up back there. I started moving a little bit further away because they see my big seventy five in front of that. They well, if I see something going on, I'm gonna talk call it seventy five too, because he's riding in the scheme. Is the exactly I'm gonna get a little distance on down here. I don't neither bad. I don't keep the rest of my favorite not a big dog and me. Oh man, so good dog, Doug.

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Speaker 3: It's it's amazing hearing all that and being a part of the guys you mentioned some guys like Boat Camper. You know, Vic Seth loves to give me ship about you know how being a first round draft pick and looking at the success that you had in your career versus where you were drafted. You know, I already know he's trying to set me up again. He always tries to up. So I'm gonna beat you to the punch, Big sat I'm gonna beat you to the punch. I mean, when you think about the great guys, you're talking about the bow Campers drafted in the first round in seventy six. Next you got aj Dewey, you know, drafted it and Bob Bobmhauer in the second round in seventy eight. But the Dolphins go all the way out to Nevada, like you're talking about, and they find a six foot seven mountain of a man in the sixth round. So I do want to ask you about your your mindset when you arrived in mind me. You talked a little bit about it, you know, and it's it's amazing because you got your team with a bunch of young guns, really good players. Yeah, and also a team that still had a handful of the legend you talk about. You talk about Zanka a little bit and guys that might have been in that in that locker room with you. It's it's amazing to me. But we also need to for you to explain that how you got to Nevada, because you only spent one season there after the majority of your college career was played in the University of Montana.

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Speaker 1: How'd all this transpire for you? I invented the portal transfer portals all my idea. We had a we had I went to I really loved it there. I did have some offers to go some bigger schools, but I went there, and I really I fell in love with the place and the atmosphere more so than a football. Football had small time, but been a way for me to get out of the house and move out there and be on my own. Seventeen years old, and I got to say my dad wanted me to go to University of Miami, and I got to offer the Wisconsin and stuff. But I said, he, well, go to Miami. I kinda go to Miami. I don't want to go down there. It's too hot and I don't want to go. I want to go to Montana. So I goes, no, you gotta go to go now. He said, I'm seventeen, but I'll going wherever I want. He can't tell me what to do, you know, being defiant and the first time he got off the plane when he came out to visit me, because I understand why he came out of here. Okay, I understand. But I went to Missoula, Montana, and you know, didn't know anybody went out there and sent some films out of my high school to coach sent some films out to him, and they gave you offer me a scholarship. I went out there and I had a good time with it. But uh my head coach was a great guy and he's a Jack Swarth out these reasons I went there. He was the real personal guys like your dad and just really dout her done of guys, but military background but real fair and I just really like Jack. But a couple of years later he got booted out for some working work to study scandal type of thing. And we were really we had a bunch of hippies on campus there medula, so they were they didn't want to have any football. They were you know, they wanted to get rid of the program. Every week is how the calcul we just spand a football team did they spend with some of our student activity money? So he got kicked out. We got this new guy came in. He was a piece of work. He had He's won a championship at Great Falls, Montana State Ampaship championship. He brought like six of his guys from his heights from a senior team. Two of them were his sons, one was his nephew. He gave him all full right scholarships and they were playing finest. So well. Anyways, after one you're in the guy was he was a piece of work. I won't speak ill of the dead, but he was the reason I left and one of the one of my coaches which I really loved up in Missoia, John L. Smith. John All went on to be worked with the Ericsson and a couple of different went Dennis Erickson in Idaho and had coaching tree for Patrinos and all that. Those trees go way back. But John Ell was moved to Reno w getting a job there. So fourteen players got cut, all but one assistant coaches got relieved. I followed John down to Reno. I got a job in the casino and I had to work. I went to summer school to get sixteen credits. We're on semesters and I had to move to the quarter hours. Anyway, long story short, took a couple of classes, so I was and I was. Since we were non conference, we didn't play in the conference. I was able to play that next year and Reno had they treated me right and I have had a good time. I got to play. I had a good coach there, and uh yeah, I just started really enjoying the game and kept hearing from some of my older college people. I read I knew from upper class for older guys from Missoula, and they're playing in the NFL. Are telling me. One of them was to fully do Couplaressa, the first Samone to ever play in the NFL, and fully sent to me a native borts someone to play in the NFL. He said, you know, you big man, you're going to play some that go eat till you're too skinny. I got got money. He reached into his pockets and give you a dollar seventy five. For dollars seventy five, you can get get ham and cheese, alma with grits, with tash brown and gravy Omelet you know, I don't play on Sunday. Someday, go get some food. You're too skinny. But I got the chance to go down with John l and we did some things down there and want some games. And Chris Halt was the head coach down there, and he was he was quite the promoter. And Rino is a good move for me. He worked out well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Doug in Nevada, Man, when you're doing this security work at the casino, do you run into some shady characters? I mean, were there any guys that were in there counting cards or things like that. We had to like yo man six seven. I mean they had to be like scared as hell.

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Speaker 1: For you to approach him. No, And where I worked in this place called Boomtown. It was a boosters club and it was on the verdie Nevada which running on the California Nevada line. That was the first casino and it was all a truck stop. I really geared to the truckers and I worked to eight ships and most of the time we were just going hide and going to play, you know, get out of the place. Well we really did. Was carrying money about back and forth from the vault. But we would have to control this ranch. It was adjacent to it, and we would get it, you know, we get a walkie talkie and we would you know, walk around and then everyone's while they call us to do draws and they drop some draws at the pitch. We would go to get into the bank the vault party and they got chips and bowl a lot of cart and go sign off to the casino boss on the money and take it back in and then we wouldn't have nothing to do. I'm walking through this thing I'm six to seven. I've got like six stacks and some like six stacks and twenty five dollars chips in my arms, and I'm trying to excuse me, excuse me, you know, trying to walk my way through the crowd. Well they weren't moving, man, They're on this ashot machine, just pulling the handles. And I'm fine. At the end of I'm just like throwing elbows and just mowing through the crowds. Little ladies, you're getting back down of holding on to the shift here and get it one more time to get in there. If I finally out of the way, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if anybody I'm gonna have handle the money is gonna be a big doug Right.

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Speaker 1: It's so I'm at the one time, if you want to, I'm going to find a place to hide. And we had this van and we go travel around this branch hat and we just like taking a nap, and do you know, we're just being knuckleheads. And I got I turned my radio off into went back in this ranch and can't take a little slip. As I pull up a little bit later and there's like all the people in Casina are out running around in the parking lot. He goes, there you are, you got where were you? And I go patrolling the back there. Why we'll think of the gas station got robbed or something, and I was I was nowhere to be found to go where were you? Like? And I'm going I'm not going to stand on I'm not if somebody wants to round that gas stage and you go right ahead, man, I'm making I got walk this got no gun. Take it off the keys, buddy. So I get there and I give it. I'm started working the casino. You know, I'm checking it out. It was pretty well. I left Missoula was rainy and cold and nasty. I'm in trucking California for a company Picks. It's beautiful, Sonny. We had all our cocktail waitresses and dealers out there. I'm just like checking a salary with cocktails and having a good old time. They're snowing in the Montana. I'm down here at the beach and we had these different games going on, you know, sack games for kids and the picnic. One of them was the grease flag pole. And what you do is if you have the casino manager was up there and goes like Okay, I give anybody one hundred bucks for if you can get that five hundred thousand dollars, you can get that. He's an old Texas guy. He had a guy walking around the portable pa the size of a turntable. Will be a big old freaking portable pas. I'm talking to you a thousand dollars. And he goes to two man teams and he so guys who got their little kids, and they're like throwing them up the flag bool come on, sliding down. Now they're getting its. Finally goes to three man teams. We can get it with three guys. So I took Mitch, who was the security guy with me, and I get on his shoulders. I had John, his buddy of mine as a bartender there. I put John on my shoulders. I jump on Mitch's shoulders like squat hold onto the pole. I stand up. I get John's hands and feeding him hand. They're pushing up above my head. He's so drunk he can't even straighten his legs out, you know. So he's finally mitches going, I can't hold anymore. Yeah it so finally just all slide down in a pile at the bottom and he go like, we look at the bob the owner. He goes like, yeah, that boys one hundred dollars just for trying. Those guys go out, peels us off and ste got that fade for more than dollars. Yeah, we're going around one more time. We go around one more time and I go like, we know he gets it. Finally go hey, can we try it again? He goes yeah, sure, go ahead, but we got this big tall, skinny Keno giral. He dis about five ten and my one hundred and ten pounds I put it. Actually, John, you're out, Mitch me come on's to go do this again? But boom, boom boom. We get the flag for a grand three thirty three apiece plus one hundred bucks. I'mbout four to thirty like then then Reno. For two weeks we were like this face works out pretty good. And then I see I'm off. I finally got the nerve to talk to his cocktail waitress. I've been looking at all week, and he goes, you've been staring at me all week. I was at I was wondering when you can come up and start talking to me. I know you shine something, Yeah, you know a Reno cocktail waitress that's four years older than me. You know, oh yeah, you know. I walking by and there's a there's a boat pulled up on the beach and there's Bob boat. He's like, Bob, you shouldn't leave that keys in the boat. He I have a good time. Take it for a ride. I jumped in. I'm driving around Trucky Lake with Katie Grota Gude and taking four hundred bucks in my pocket and Katie's in my pocket and we're just saying like, yeah, this is a pretty good move. Reno was that was where I ended up. So for my first two weeks in Reno, and it worked there. I was the kind of had it was epiphany. This is where I got to be worked out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but it worked out for you. Didn't just invent the portal, you invented nil. It sounds like.

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Speaker 1: I heard that money, man, I earned that money. I was flying a greasy flag pole. Man, I'm climbing that bach.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a great point. That's a great point. So you know, seventy eight, you're there as a rookie, you make the team's a six round pick amongst all the legends and you get significant playing time. But by your second season you're a fixture on that defense. Right you start fourteen games opposite Verndon Header he has you have eight sacks. I think he had eight or nine. Then a couple of years later, here come the Blackwood Boys, Bob Ruzinski, Charles Bowser. You already had Boat Camper and Bob Hower. The Killer Bees are born. Doug What made you guys such a good group together? And how was it playing together?

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Speaker 1: Arnsberger? Hearnsburger is the man. You know he did a here you go, you left out one of are not so famous killer Bees, a J Bowie. He is becoming Dewey. Wasn't making a boy aj but he was trying to be a part of it. He just wanted to be a part of it, didn't Yeah, guy, you get to change your name. Man, You get to tell him difference. Do you put that little slash by your name? Became Douet after your second year, intended Dewey. I talk to people from Louisiana said, many Dewey. That ain't Doue. That's Dowey. He wants to be dou A. So anyways, we have Bill, who was just Bill is a tough guy, build a tough egg of crack man. But he wants you to know. He's one of these guys like shoot, if you play for him and you get success and you work your ass off, he gained his respect, and you know, I just didn't. I listened to everything he did. And I think like the black Ways, they were just like coaches on the field. They knew what to do. And Glenn and Lyle or they're very smart, especially Glenn Lyle too. But Glenn, he's a genius when it comes to football and what he knew and he didn't have an AJ but being able to do so many different things with him. And you know, Bambauer had a he had a lot of Pro Bowls, you know, and he was a very He was a good solid player in the middle of that e in the middle of that line and taking double teams on. There was a good bunch of guys, had a lot of fun together. And Bo was, you know, a linebacker playing down so he kind of the beginning of the edge rusher. But you know, the funny story about Arnsbarkers, I was in nineteen eighty three, only made the Pro Bowl one time. I was an altered in eighty four. But we're going around. They announced it at the start of the practice. Heels up in the room and you know, announces who made it. And we're all walking out down the fence line to get into it, you know, into the staying interview or into our practice field. And we're all laying out on the ground stretching out doing stop and Arch Parker comes by me and bobbed about one two rows over he were laid down in Arch Parker. Congratulations, he says, I think you've verted for a couple of years. I'm glad they finally recognized you. Congratulations, thanks, coach. You know, that's only nice thing he's ever said to me. You know, he was a man a few words especially praised, but he's you know, a very nice compliment. I see how Cornwie. He goes over, kind of works the way with a bomb hoer and Bob's sitting there and he's about you know, he's kind of getting got a big grainy kind of you know, put his hand out to shake hands, and Bill goes, he goes, I guess those guys aren't watching the same film as I are. He goes, good luck anyways, like House, Well, yeah, it's staying there, right. But that's that was Bill. He didn't minswears me and I saw him break down and cry one time on and he said, I'm so damn proud of you guys. We're up from New York and we had a bunch of injuries come out. We were just making it up on it as we went along and just listening to what he had to say. We came out of there with a win, and that's when Bill got real emotional. And you know, I love the guy. You know he was he was an authoritative figure, but he's what you know, all the success goes to him and coach Scary and and uh, you know all the other coach of times Toms seen which times last day it was our backfield coach and all the other defensive passors. I can't remember all now, it's been so long, but a great coaching staff. Sho Will always had equality coaches around him. Well, you know, I'm gonna tell you this though, Doug. Obviously you know all that you were doing making all these plays. Man, I mean at some point you had to hold out try to get your money though, I mean, how how hard was it get paid? You know?

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Speaker 3: During those days because as we understand, I mean you got rid of your agent, you had to go straight to Joe Robbie and like, yo, I mean I need to get my money.

00:27:53
Speaker 1: Well, that's true, you know, and we had we had a print out. I could get printouts of every what everybody else is making too, you know, we had that from the union. Was it a fact? Was it a fact back then? Yeah? Of course yeah, And I think it came out. You have to you have to out myself, Doug. Yeah. It's my first agent with Jack Mills from Colorado. He also had Ulevan Shaman. And after my first contract, he he goes, I got you a contract to I mean twelve thousand dollars signing bonus and a thirty two thirty eight was my first two years, so he got yeah, it's the best I could do thirty You know, say that one more time. How much how much did you make? Tell these people nowadays? How much was that? How much was your signing bones and everything? Again? Right, signing boast is twelve thousand dollars. It came to eighty eight hundred bucks once I got it. After tax I called the dolphins up right away. Wait, wait, plust be twelve. Yeah, taxes with all I damn the way this is gonna work. So I got my eighty eight hundred, and then I got my thirty two for the first thirty eight second years. So when I came out, I was playing a little bit, so I got a chance. Mills went back in and got me a hundred. I'll tell you what he's have to pull a gun to. Guys, said to get this kind of deal. Well, and you know he is active a deal for it. Don't tell Anyboddy about it because they don't anybody else will know that we're giving you this much money. Okay. Well, about two or three weeks later right here, four or five guys got the same deal. They had that magic number and whatever. Also, but then they made a move on UBA's contract. He goes like, hey, I give you some move my betters, if you get above move up a little bit. Damn, what do I get a kick or take my freaking money? So I'm going like, you got to go on. So I went to another I got I went and got another agent and it was he's from Stanford. He had a lot of guys at the time. He's a big time lawyer. He was with Jerry McGuire was all about who's that the guy from California, a big time agent. And I got Toberg. Who was it was Steinberg? Cyberg, That's who it was. Yeah, and so Cyberg, I get Cyberg because we do my contract, because yeah, I'll do it and give me a percentage instead, I go, I'll tell you what I got. I'm already yet, like I think it was a two hundred thousand or something about too. You know, I'll give you. I'll pay you three percent for everything you give me above two hundred. No, it doesn't really work that way. You know, I get whatever your contract at nicoll it well Gas, no, cleck, all these guys and which those guys are better players? I mean, I'm gonna say they're contract to be. Richard Howie Long was up there. They're making eight hundred eight fifteen stuff, and I go, well, Art still in Kansas City, he's making thirty four to thirty five. I go, come on, you know, I'm I'm not much better than him, but I think i'm better than him. I got some better stats, and you know, put me up to his money at least, you know. And so he goes, well, hey, why don't we talk about this. So I finally go to Joe and I go Joe Robbie. He goes, I go, Joe, why don't we just you know, you know, you're in Montana. He had bought a ranch in Montana. Because when you're out in Montana, I'm going to go back out to this summer and Sau Sason go, why don't we just talk about this? And we tell me, you know, I don't need an agent. Why don't we just do it? Okay, Yeah, come out. I go out to Montana and I meet up with I go to Joe's place out in Ennis, Montana, and we, you know, we go out and we're talking. I got to his ranch and his ranch and Joe's ranches in and this is about a couple three hundred miles from where I lived at I had a pickup truck and my buddy had had a Camaro in his all highway miles and stuff. So I swapped his vehicle for the for the weekend. Got some highway miles and if I drive out, I find his place and I'm trying to find it this one. I go, we where's Joe Robbie? He goes, you mean that millionaire he's up on the hill over here I go and I show up.

00:31:17
Speaker 2: And hold on, you're looking for his house. You're literally going to go knock on his door and say, let's get this thing figured out.

00:31:23
Speaker 1: Oh we talked, he said, you know, he said, come on out, we'll talk. And that's how I finally got Okay, I'll be out there in a couple of days or whatever. So I'll be there. He I'm around to come see me. He gave me some directions. But back we have GPS. Do you know it's out of the country road.

00:31:35
Speaker 2: I have Google Maps I got.

00:31:39
Speaker 1: And so I go knock on the door and talking, Yeah, you come, come on in. He goes, get me a glass eyes tea, shows me around a little bit nice place, and he goes it, gets into his office and he goes, I got We sit down and he slides. I goes, I worked on your offer. Here, take a look at this, and slides me over. He went up, like twenty thousand dollars. You know, I'm looking for two hundred, you know, and he is a two twenty five. I wasn't twenty five. I want to take no, no, no, no, we were looking at this one. How about this guy, this guy, this guy. You know, I gotta get more than this guy, so he said, and Joe goes. He goes like, so you're telling me that this guy you're a better player than this guy art Shell, but he's making he's making harder than thirty five thousand. You're a better player. I'm not gonna pay you two fifty. Yeah. He was like, well that makes me a great owner, doesn't it, Because I'm not Why should I have to play you more money? I get a better player? Hey, get up, that's the way he's supposed to work. He goes, well, that's why it works. Why why should I have Why should this I have to take it because of this owner of the dumb ass. I'm gonna pay you more money, I go, but you know, because I ain't gonna do it. He goes. What he goes, I'm gonna sit out. I ain't gonna play. He goes like, what do you what can you do to make two hundred and fifty thousand dollars? Take the money and just you know, shut out. Basically, I go, no, I quit, I'm not gonna play. You know I'm not playing for this. I just get up and stop out the house. Slam the door, get in a freaking camaro. I'm cutting doughnuts out in the driveway, just sling and gravel a little of the place. That's you, Joe tell about two months later. I did hold out that year. I came back and two months later and signed for two forty five. I didn't make it enough run, but that's the way, Yeah, you know, I was. I had already played up. I had played out my option too. I was under you know, I was supposedly didn't have any ties to you know, any ties to the Dolphins. But uh yeah. And at one time it was kind of funny too, because Jill let on something like when I was talking to him, because now he says, that's just I go, you got to move a little bit. Come on, man, you know, now that's all I'll let me do. I go, that's all who lets you do? Oh. I didn't mean that, And she was only going like, I don't got nothing to do with that. But I'm not gonna have anybody to make more money than me. And you know, coach Sheela was the star of the show. He's going to make the most money. I think the first year that happened, when somebody made Danny made more than him. I don't think he could. I think Greasey did one year too, that he was going to make a lot of money and yeah, you know guaranteed. So Don made him sit on the staff when you're fall asleep during staff me they made those guys stay there at eleven o'clock at night. He was there and thinking to talk about and Greece. He was just called, like, we're done at nine thirty, but they're up, said Dusky snoring. You know, Carl's over and are eating the freaking sandwich. Yeah, we got to stand there till eleven. That's what we might, well, San Dusky might wake up and have a great idea. So we got to stick around till eleven, you know, like you gotta be kiddy. But that was, uh, those were then. Those were the days, man, that's were Yeah, grateful. Then you I go back and I talk most scary. He was a linebacker in an Auto Graham center at six two, like one hundred and ninety pounds, you know, played both ways for the fifty six Cleveland Browns. You know, those guys made five hundred dollars a year or something. Stupid thing. So we start whining about how much we were paying.

00:34:48
Speaker 2: He just like, no, no, unbelievable. That's an unbelievable I just picture you spinning out in Joe ra him looking out the window as you're just peeling out in his driveway.

00:34:59
Speaker 1: That's that's the a good old boy so going on that was like Duke's hadric man. I just put that. It's a good old boy. It's too funny, Iraq going on in my car. That's why I got to do some neutral drops and do some good rubber laying it out there.

00:35:20
Speaker 2: Baby there it is, driving like it. So anybody who knows Dolphin's history and they're hearing all these stories in this time period, they also recognize. Okay, well, Doug Betders obviously played in two Super Bowls with Miami. Talk about what it was like to be a part of a team that reached the Big Dance twice in three seasons, like the Killer Beads. The Dolphins defense. Obviously they did it with two different quarterbacks, but this defense was as good as any in the league for a three year period. Talk about reaching the mountaintop twice but never being able to capture that title.

00:35:53
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I heard both talking about this often. Talk kid the other day and my wife pulled out a ring, you know, their second place ring. They go, what do you mean second place to go? These ASC championship rings? These ain't the real deal. I don't wear these very much. You know, we have them when we won them. We got them, but you know it's not world championship. But you know, and Bo would say that, you know, it's almost almost right. Wish I didn't go and he got second place and I I don't know about that, but it just that he got away, that got one more game, and he had a chance for he can almost had an interception going in against the Redskins if he could have got there, and Thaisman knocked it away from him. And I know that that might have been a difference, and we all could have should have would on things like that, but we didn't. You know, we got there two years in a row. But you know that was the way it is with sus I mean, you won. I mean I think I was reading the stats that he only had like two seasons when he was below five hundred, and you know he was. He got there, but we our defense is played well and against In Super Bowl seventeen, when we went to play the reds games, David Woodley was our quarterback. Of course he wasn't Danny, and god Struck was a heck of a quarterback. You know, he had some great stats and he came out and pulled out some games for us. But it was, you know, it's great to get there's a maying to get there. Then we had the other you know, Strike super Bowl too, that came up there, and I think with the Redskins, and I think that's when Dan came in, and you know, he was all of that, and you know they were they talked a lot about the Killer Bees. But there's some guys on us over there in San Francisco are pretty good players too. There's Ronnie a lot and yeah, those guys and I think they got a lot. I actually got to meet Ronnie here. I talked to him a couple different times. I saw him last summer. He came up for my foundation and him and Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark and Roger Craig all came out for an event in twenty sixteen. Actually Roger right before Dwight Clark passed. But Eddie de Barlow's got a place up here. And then he brought him out for this event. And Ronnie's cool guy. He's a defensive guy, so we always get along. And he was telling me, he said, you know, we were hearing so much shit about you guys, how great you were, and you know, just bussed us off. It's like, you know, blocker room with her. And I didn't even think about it at the time, but they had some studs on that defense. I think they had a vengeance. And I think i'd be honest with you, I think Bill Walsh had kind of figured us out and we got out coached that game. You know. I think we were just tough, and I know Danny was saying afterwards, he goes, well, you know, we've been here, we're here two years ago. We'll come back soon. And it didn't have so we were lucky to do that.

00:38:14
Speaker 2: And it's not always that easy, right, No, it's.

00:38:17
Speaker 1: Not even it's tough, but we had a you know, that was a great experience to make it there, and I'm sure I wish we had one more. And but like you said, there was a lot of winning going on. I said, I'm glad it was, because I don't think it would have been you know, even going over five hundred but not making the playoffs. It was Sulla didn't accept that. You know, he didn't want to be he didn't want to be second place. He took a personal I think, and that's when he was speaking. You know, we were getting on Tuesday morning. We come in after getting beat up on a Monday night football game and up in New England, and he was like, how can you embarrass me like that? You know what the hell was like? We were we were trying our ass off. Man, We were embarrassed too. You do that to me on Monday night? Embarrassed me like that? Really okay? But he was he was a man. He wasn't there to make friends. He was there to win football games. And he won a lot of football Damn right.

00:39:10
Speaker 2: Yes he did, Yes he did. So you play your final game in nineteen eighty seven, and you had, at some point very early in your career, bought a home in Whitefish, Montana, and really spent every off season there, as you talked about here earlier in the show. So it was a no brainer that you were headed right back to the mountains once you retired, and you're living an active lifestyle. You're a big time skier, You hunt, you fish, you fly planes. You're doing all of these things. You would established this major event that you just mentioned, the Whitefish Winter Classic. But then on February fifth, nineteen ninety eight, your whole world is turned upside down. Can you talk about what you remember from that day and how it would go on to impact the rest of your life.

00:39:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a blink of an eye, you know, it just how things happened, and that was just another day. I skied a lot. I took a lot of pride in my skiing and my flying. I was a good pilot and I still fly. I still have an opportunity to do that. But I was a good skier. I could ski anything on the mountain, and I skied a lot of days. I got in about one hundred days a year skiing. I do that for thirty years. So I could ski, and I like to ski fast, and I would do I was just doing one of those days. But I was just you know, bluebird day, beautiful day, and I was just going I was going down the hill fast like I always do. And there's some people down the road mile pond, two little kids, like little chicklings going down. They crossing the runs, they kind of go perpendicular to run so fast where I was going straight down, and I saw a way up ahead, about couple three hundred yards away, and I thought they were going to kind of stop at the edge, but instead they kept going. So I said, well, I got to just avert to the left just a little bit, and again it was way up there wasn't you know they I just saw. I was just looking where I was going. I just hit some soft stove, you know. I hit the ground tumbling, and you know, it's crazy, they say, was traumatic injuries like that your brain, your hard drive just kind of blacks that out. I don't remember tumbling. I don't remember anything else. I remember sitting on the hitting the ground, and when I wake up, I was trying to get up. I couldn't get up, and I felt like I've been and I was in a chair, like in a desk chair or something, and somebody just like pushing me back and I was laying on my back. I felt like my legs were you know, ninety degrees just bet like that. You know. I couldn't figure it out. I was trying to I couldn't get up. I kept trying to get up, and I go, that's weird. And I kind of trying to straighten my legs out. You know, I couldn't you know, I couldn't really put it together. I couldn't feel it yet. Just keep a troll jumped down there and saw me, and you know what I'm saying, you know, I go like and I was a friend of mine, John who's part of my foundation, and John was saying, I don't move, stay still, stay still. You know we got it, we got help coming. I go, I go, just just straighten my legs out for you.

00:41:47
Speaker 2: Man.

00:41:48
Speaker 1: I just you know, I'll wait for helping and I'll still still. I'll lay still, but just straighten my legs out for me. Because your legs are both flat against on the ground, you know, they're poked pointing up hill. You know, I just don't stay still. And then I got like, yeah, this is the big you know, this is real. This isn't just you know, not for a loop and not know what country you're in. I was just this is a you know, a spiral cord injury. And it was I actually had a pre conditioned, preconditioned break from playing way back. I broke my broke my neck tackle in fran Tarkenton and one of one of the things that got me on the team early in my career. Ex of my rookie year, and I came out of the game and they told me to go back in there, and I went back in for one more finished the series out and then I was taken out. And I found out a few years later that I had fractured my C six. It was just a hairline fracture, but I had fractured it, and we didn't figure it out until a few years later. Didn't have MRIs those days, but I played with it for a number of years. I just needed that one that fall that was kind of exasperated at predisposed situation. My spine was in him. They told me it was a kind of Doc Green in Miami project said, your spines like a fly rod. When you go to put a low on it, it's going to break it the weakest spot. And I would you you're definitely compromised at C six. He said, it's not for a football injury. You can you would have walked back from a ski craft. It was you know, what are you gonna do about it? Cause I did have the injury and when you're playing your you know, your ten foot tall bulletproof. Nothing can get you. You don't think about that. I thinking about other things that might give me a ride, motorcycles and flying airplanes and stuff like all that might that might be the one I punched my ticket on. But you know, recreational skiing was comeing I've done for a lot of years, and it's it's a fun activity. Is just kind of out there, you know, care free and just to have that happen. And actually I've had a two years Friday that I had a friend got killed on the mountain too, So it's it can be dangerous, you know, and it's a fast sport and uh, it's it's one of those things you get, you know, I get you run over by a bus on our way to school too. So many things happened, and I think it was you know, in a lot of ways. I learned a lot from it, the things I wouldn't have had before. A lot of humility and patience, and you know, just learn to live with you know what you're having, that to travel what you don't have.

00:44:06
Speaker 3: M Wow, man, Doug, you're that dude man, honestly, man, because every time I have seen you.

00:44:11
Speaker 1: Man, It's like the strength that you show.

00:44:17
Speaker 3: Still to this day is there's nothing on the football field compared to what you do now after after everything that's happened to you.

00:44:23
Speaker 1: Man.

00:44:24
Speaker 3: You know, and and Seth mentioned the white Fish Winter Classic. Man, I mean, You're work in the community is unbelievable. White Fish didn't stop after your accident, Bro, you you kept you kept driving. In fact, I mean you usually don Shula saying all the time. You know, anybody can play healthy as a phrase. When you that inspired you to keep going. I mean, can you talk about why it's been so important to keep the Winter Classic going for so many years as well as you know your work through the Dug Batters for Children's Foundation, Man, because you are truly an inspiration man of how guys that go through things. Some guys was shut it down, Doug not you bro talk about that please for me?

00:45:05
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Doc Doc Green said to me early on and when I was there and actually A J and Bo were in the cospital room with me, and they came to visit me and out down at Mercy to do my uh not Mercy but Jackson Memorial to do my rehab and uh mister, mister Eisinger was very gracious to let. He blowed me a plane to come down and do my rehab from my tan and I was in there and Doc Green came in and sent to me to something about get over it. You're gonna be in the chair of the rest of your life and you have a really active life from the chair. Wait a minute, what are you talking about? He goes like this, you know you've got a spot corn injury. That's you know you're here, That's what's gonna happen. And then he walked out. You know, A J and Bob, A J and Bob just kind of looking at it and screwed him. You don't know he's talking about. He kept kept a light with the three of us. But later on I want to talk to him. I go like, Doc, what are you talking about? He because I'm going to beat this thing? He guess, like you because you know you get good luck to you. You know, I hope you do, but you know you probably aren't. You know, you got to understand you're gonna be You can go play, you can go blow your brains out, or you can move forward. You know, let me know what you're gonna do because I don't have patience if you're gonna be if you're gonna whine about it patically, And that just kind of said to me, you know, you got to look at I see so many people in this with spinal cord injuries and other things. I mean, I'm still alive and kicking. You think about all the crazy cancer stuff that's out there, in leukemia, whatever else you can die of, and we see that with the young kids. You know, we're helping out get into medical treatment, the rare heart disease and just I'm just, uh, you know, I've got sixty eight years. Man, I'm happy with what I've gotten. I think the legacy that you know, Jennifer and I are leaving behind with their therapy or foundation, it's it's helped a lot of people. It's really cool to see these kids growing up now and that are healthy moving on, and you know, it's, uh, it's good for your karma. It makes that stuff has come back to me. You know, of what I've given is I've been given a lot back.

00:47:03
Speaker 2: To unbelievable, just an incredible story.

00:47:06
Speaker 1: Incredible Doug Man, much love man, love your brother.

00:47:09
Speaker 2: Tremendous inspiration on and off you here. Well, it's a serious conversation.

00:47:14
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not I blow my talking over this stuff and you get a bad I got a cold going on too, so I'm not I've been out in South Beach or anything like that. This is just m living where you live. Where you live, You get a cold year around there. Yeah, if it was it's time to get back to the floor, we'll be there soon. Get to maybe see you're trying to get cold.

00:47:35
Speaker 2: For us, it gets cold if we're if it's under seventy, Doug, we're cold. So yeah, you're talking, but we're not going to let you go just yet.

00:47:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not done with you, Doug love it.

00:47:45
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for sharing such an inspirational story. There's a reason you're in that Ring of honor. Two thousand and eight, ten years after after your accident, the Dolphins rightfully place you and Bob bomb Hower, of course, two killer bees next to each other. Place you guys in the ring of honor. I think we've heard today why that's very deserving. But before we let you go, now you're a defensive guy. We end every episode of the podcast with the two minute drill.

00:48:10
Speaker 1: I know, for you.

00:48:10
Speaker 2: Defensive guys, you want to get a sack or a force fumble, and then the two minute drill before two minutes is over. But we're putting two minutes on the clock. We've got a couple of fast paced questions for you. I have a little fun with it, and then we'll actually let you get out of here and go turn that heat.

00:48:24
Speaker 1: I'm here as long as you guys want to talk, So whatever goes, I would love to as long as you want. There we go, ready said, ready to let's do it.

00:48:32
Speaker 3: Just kick this thing off, Okay, Doug, Just like me, you were a boy scout growing up, although I think you might have made it all the way to Egle.

00:48:40
Speaker 1: Do you remember the scout oath? I do, and I kind of still live it. Man. I am a boy scouted heart. I did make my I did give my Eagle Scout badge, and I actually worked at Camp Napoleon, wild Rose, Wisconsin. Is a counselor. For a while, I was supposed to be a canoe mayor badge canoe and assuming merit badge that put me in the kitchen one hundred and fifty dollars just kind of like my first year of the Dolphins one hundred and fifty dollars for working from six to eight o'clock at night doing the kitchen duties with a crazy cook. But yeah, but a Scout. The oath is all, my honored God. I might have set up. I might have not known enough, I said, I know, but what I know the other the motto to do a good turn daily and always the nice years, true to year school on my honor.

00:49:25
Speaker 2: You've got it started right on my honored gosh.

00:49:30
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm gonna have to take this. I'm gonna have to plead the sixty eight years old now brain is getting on my to do my best to do it is I You know, I told you how far I went I had. I had no idea. I have no idea what I want to make out? Bro, You know what I mean? I do my best to do my duty to God in my country. And that's something like that, right and obey the I learned a lot of stuff from Scouts, I really do. I like to in one of the community service that was something that was big with them. But you know, as far as first daid and and a lot of other stuff, and uh yeah, I mean it was it was a great experience. I was living outside. My dad was an ibmbor, so we moved quite a bit. But I was living outside of Chicago, which I really didn't like, and we got a chance to get out and get you know, go out to the country on the weekends with boy Scouts. So good way to get out of town. Right, two minutes is up.

00:50:23
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, we're gonna get We're gonna get through these. Yeah, I call the time out. I am going to get to the next question. But now I have just because we heard your story and you said that you live it to this day. The last part of the Scout oath is to help other people at all times, to keep myself physically strong, mentally awakened, morally straight. If that ain't Doug Betters.

00:50:42
Speaker 1: I don't know what is.

00:50:43
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move it to the next question for sure. So, at six foot seven, you were one of the tallest players in Miami Dolphins history. But since your tenure, there have been at least two players to suit up for the Dolphins who were six foot eight. Okay, so one of them's actually on the roster today. Can you name either of the two six foot eight guys? They came after you played.

00:51:04
Speaker 1: This is offensive line, right, the tackle actually.

00:51:07
Speaker 2: A defensive lineman on the team right now. So Kalais Campbell is six foot eight. He's the tallest they've had a long time. And actually, so this is a fun one. Dan McGuire, Mark McGuire's brother. Dan McGuire, is a quarterback. He played a couple of games here, maybe one game in nineteen ninety five. That's a tough one, but it was kind of fun to bring out Dan McGuire. So, all right, that's that question. Juice.

00:51:29
Speaker 3: You're a height man, I would at that height is amazing right there. All right, here's a last here's the last and final question for you, Doug. At some point in your life, your favorite movie was Butch Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid. Are you Butch or are you Sundance Man? I gotta be Butch man. I helped the win of the praise.

00:51:47
Speaker 1: I get that. That was a good Yeah. The hell the Fall is gonna be probably kill us, right? Do you know the movie off? I Can't Swim? Hella Paul, probably kill hus No good. Jeremiah Johnson's after too, So I do like Bob Redford. He's got some good movies. But yeah, just uh you Butcher and Sonny and the music on that thing was I was a sucker for that stuff too. There's a great music in that score there. I have to play my trumpet in the marching band, man, you know, it's got to play with I had to play with herb Alfort two one time. Doc Severson's so I got, you know, I was like that music. Raindrops are falling on my head baby.

00:52:27
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Hey, Doug, if you're butchering, who would be sundance that you play with?

00:52:32
Speaker 1: Anybody that you can think of to be sun Dance? Yeah, I gotta ask somebody better looking. So that gotta be Bow before he lost all his hair. And then those guys are both pretty boys. Both Bamba are in in uh in Bow are the pretty guys of me. But I mean, I'm you know, one of my I like, you know, A J. Was such a close friend of mine, and I don't see him. He's just a piece of work these days.

00:52:57
Speaker 2: But A J.

00:52:59
Speaker 1: Was just hilarious. You know. We we make fun of his, you know, his Louisiana thisst and some of his you know, some of his comments playing golf with them. One time and he misses a putt. He goes, damn my deceptions, all the deception, you mean, depth perception. You know, I was talking about to leave you alone. And then he's, you know his other tell me about the health you got the healthcare at the at the stadium, and you're gonna do a cv uh hot test on the CBD oil whatever you call it. And he said, I got two groups. And he goes like, and he said, I told him, I said, I don't want to be in the PERCENTA group. You mean the PACBO group. You know, I want a real deal. They're gonna do it. Don't give me the PC I want to, don't give you the whatever. You know what I meant.

00:53:55
Speaker 2: Oh god, I love it. So it's Doug Butch better than the Sunday kids, Juice. We got to put an at the end because there's a few Sunday kids there. But man, Doug, this was awesome. It was so much fun spending some time with you.

00:54:08
Speaker 1: Man, Well, it's awful good to see you guys. I mean I spent I'm here for you as long as you want. It's great to see Juice as always your man. I wish I would have got to play. I wish I got to know you a little bit better, but my experiences to you is you you the man. I really respect you and what you've done. And you're a fun guy too. I like your attitude and get to smile on your face and what you've done for the community as well. And right back at you and Jef. Been pleasure to meet youse last couple of broadcasts, and what we got to do with Joe's and jose and Bo's thing. It's out the pastor could look good work with that. Maybe another podcast will spring from all of this other stuff. Hey Doug, thanks for diving in. Doug anytime juice, I mean, I'd love to see you soon.

00:54:52
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