Jared Odrick: A Reeducation

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Speaker 1: You're now diving.

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Speaker 2: I'm have been that pich tank.

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Speaker 3: Who sitting down with Seth O.

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Speaker 1: Jay and this is strictly.

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Speaker 4: For I'm true number one of course, y'all, this ain't the other nearest boys talk.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Fish Tank, presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins podcast Network, Seth Levitt and the toughest podcaster to ever play with Dan Marino Juice. This is exciting here because in the storied history of the Miami Dolphins, there have been three count of three first round chraft choices at a Penn State university, and I'm surrounded by two of them right here, right now. OJ mcduffe, you gotta be fired up. The Jared Object is in the tank.

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Speaker 4: You know, I am big sense because we are in you know what I mean. That's how we roll, man, That's how we y oh man, I couldn't wait for this one, man, you know, I know we talked about it a lot and being able to get jo in.

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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome to the tank.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I know you got a lot going on and we're going to talk about all of it, but we're really excited.

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Speaker 1: Thanks having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate that. Thank you for having me absolutely. So Look, we're a Dolphins podcast. We're gonna talk Dolphins football. We can't get away from that. We know Juice is gonna want to talk a little Penn State before all is said and done. But before we get into any of that, we have to just get right to the fact that you are right now driving in the trans Amta two National Racing Series. I don't know how many people even know this, but like you've been racing for a couple of years. I didn't realize it. Tell us how all of this came about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it came about. There's two origin stories that I tell. One is of a lonely kid on a boardwalk in Wildwood, New Jersey that just wants to drive the go carts all night. The other one is during the World event back in twenty twenty one, a friend, a family friend, was on his property helping him put on a roof on his cabin as it seemed like everybody was trying to find space, you know, And so we were helping him do that, and he invited me to a race. And he's an in shape dude. I thought he meant running, and I'm like, you know, and He's like, no, come watch me race my car. And he showed me behind his barn, this brown Miata and I kind of laughed. I'm like, that's not a race car, r right, And he goes, what do you mean it's not a race car. So it takes me or he invites me over to High Planes Raceway in Colorado, and I just saw this world of amateur racing that didn't appear to me as amateur at all in the way that the people were approaching it. And so I didn't know people who weren't considered pro drivers got that serious about racing. And what I saw very clearly was competition. And it was a type of competition that I felt requested something more of me. You know, a lot of guys when they were done, or at least the handful of guys around me, you know, entertained like mma, and I'm like, man, I don't want to. I already proved I could hit people, you know, I've already proved that about myself. But what it seemed very quickly it dawned on me that racing would ask for me to be a different type of competitor. And I was very intrigued by that. And I haven't stopped since I started, So I was shown that. In the summer of twenty twenty one, I bought my first track car and never really did any track or practice days. Went straight to racing school and started racing the winter spring of.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then by twenty twenty three, you can go on YouTube and watch the race, Juice, like, you're winning this and I'm throwing these names out there because I wrote it down. I wanted to sound cool. I had never heard of all of this, but like the Sports Car Club of America GT two National Championship, Like, you won the damn race. You're driving a Porsche. So here's big ass Jared Odric Juice and he's he's crammed into this Porsch and they're protecting the league for some while there, and you win this race, and it was it was a very cool moment, aside from the fact that like winning is winning, like that's legit. But you were kind of overcome with emotion when they stepped up to you with the mic and wanted to talk to you about it, talk about what that was like. I mean, it had to be quite a thrill to not have been doing that for that long and then to experience that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's something that's been in my mind for, you know, forever since, you know, since I competed on all types of you know, sports teams, whether that's basketball, football, baseball, those are all very much team oriented sports. And after you play football for seventeen years, or at least the way that I felt after a certain amount of time, I always wondered what it would be like to play a solo performance sport. Now, racing is very much a team sport. It's very much a team sport, but in terms of being in the position you know, whether that's quarterback or coach or what it's kind of a combination of that, but being in the position to do to touch the ball right, whether to throw it or receive it, or be in this like battle against yourself where you can call football a battle against yourself more in training than anything else or just study, but there's no doubt that you have to go up against eleven other men. So, yeah, it's been awesome. It was overcome with emotion because I think, you know, football, so much of football, at least when I got into it, was given to me like people push me into it because I looked and had the size right where I wanted to be a basketball baseball player first, right, And I imagine myself as such when I was a kid, you know, then people are like, oh, you're going to play football. You're going to play football. And then when your size kind of gives you so much leverage into a position, into a mold, right you're playing O line or D line, there's nowhere else now you're going to be on the field. Well, racing doesn't require you to be big, like there was nothing this only this body that helped me so much in football only really hurts me in racing. And so it felt like I made a choice, I made a decision, and I felt in an odd way like I had accomplished something more than I had even accomplished in football. Wow, because I accomplished it and I had to step towards it, you know. So I just remember thinking all of those things and feeling all those things, and it kind of came rushing in and a lot of people talk about that. Yeah, a lot of people talk about that interview in this circle of SECA racing because one I like, like I cried and cussed people out.

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Speaker 2: I left that part out, but you definitely did that.

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Speaker 4: It's so interesting, man, I wonder how the rest of the guys that had been racing for most of their lives probably felt about the newcomer, the guy that already's done in the spotlight, already as an NFL play coming in and winning races, winning awards, winning shit like that. That you had to drive them crazy literally by being able to go in there and be so successful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much right away.

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Speaker 1: There were a few that you figure that some type of calculation like that comes into play just socially. But then there's been a lot of people that have just been super receptive of it. And the racing community really just want more and more competitors, right. I think they're a really you know, honorable group of competitors, or at least the majority that I've come across, where you know, they want competition. They I think, you know, they like saying, you know, because I didn't win every race, I got my act kicked a lot of races r right, you know, and so especially this season, but yeah, it's like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, that guy, they never gunning for you, man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy stacked Tom Brady and I just kicked his ass, right, you know right, It's like, you know, when people can say those things, I think it's just kind of adds to the competitive fervor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt about it, man.

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Speaker 4: And we know you've done a lot of interesting things since since football, man, and race and obviously is one of them. But uh, big step said it before, and I'm not going to pass up this opportunity to talk about our alma mater, of course, and that's in Penn State, now, you know, we know, you know, you were all everything in all American at Lebanon High School, which is just a couple hours away from Penn State. A former teammate of mine, Carry Collins, also went to Lebanon High School. And you know, some people don't know how to you know it's.

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Speaker 2: Levan because I was gonna mess we both know, you know.

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Speaker 4: So, so being so close to Penn State, Man, was that always your first choice? And if not, you know, how did you end up going to obviously the right university?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it wasn't. So my mom grew up in central Pennsylvania, where my father grew up in in Philadelphia, in like Center City, Philly, and so my mom always grew up around what she called the you know, these crazy people that go nuts for for Penn State, and she I think she she almost felt like, you know, saturated in it, and so she always wanted to push to get me out of central Pennsylvania, you know, to go explore and you know all these opportunities that were kind of coming in via you know, football scholarships and so and so I did do that, and so Penn State wasn't first until I met coach Larry Johnson, and I think that changed a lot for me, and and also meeting Joe. Joe obviously had a huge influence on everything. But I think the personal relationship that I saw that I could potentially build with coach Johnson is what I think led me there. But but yeah, I mean my final visits were Florida, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just broke my heart.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorry about that, coach and Dazio did good. It was when they had a Dazzio. It was when they had Madison who was a D line coach and then h yeah that was under Urban Meyer. Yeah, Urban came up here. You know, is this a podcast or radio?

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Speaker 2: It's podcast? Yeah, you say what.

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Speaker 1: He came up here. He came up here picking it. You know, he came up here just like straight up, like you coming or not. And my high school coach didn't like My high school coach didn't like it, right, you know, it was like I don't like that type of you know. But my grandfather, right as soon as I committed to Penn State, put the cap on, come here, and I'm like, what's going on? You fucked up?

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Speaker 3: I go what? He goes?

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Speaker 1: You fucked up? I said, how do I funk up? He goes you need to go to Florida? I said, why is that? Oh, they're gonna win.

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Speaker 3: And so he was right.

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Speaker 2: Grandpa was right right after you know what, maybe both people were right. You're head coach at the high school was probably right about urban Meyer too, but your grandpa was definitely right.

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Speaker 1: No, he was onto something. But I think what I found at Penn State, I felt like, you know, I felt like it was a very good opportunity to develop, and you know, it was quite it's quasi military when they're not asking you to wear the facial hair, so it feels like, you know, there's more of an opportunity for a write of passage. Almost in hindsight, I think that's what I felt. I was feeling, is that at least there was language here of talking about developing men as opposed to we're everywhere else. It was kind of like they were just showing me all the things I could get, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and Jay, I was going to ask you about that man, because that is right about you know about Joe running a tight ship. I mean, we didn't have our names on the back, and the individuality was, you know, kind of suppressed.

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Speaker 3: We weren't allowed to wear extensive jewelry.

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Speaker 4: I go when I was going to Joe's house after I take my ear rings out, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: No chin whiskers used to call it.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I mean were you were you all about that at that point or do you have to curtail that until you got to be older like me, wearing jewelry and things like that.

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Speaker 1: I welcomed it when I was young because it felt like I had to change myself to become something new, right, Like I had to change myself to fit their standard, and I was looking for a standard. Now it's taken me quite a few years to realize that that probably has a lot to do with me and my relationship with my father where he wasn't around very much and I was looking for a standard. I was looking for something to hold myself to, like a higher standard, and I think Penn State presented that for years now my big thing is and why I think a lot of guys, I think this is what a lot of guys have, or at least you can maybe help me out with this when they're done, when they see the program change, when the reason they went there was for things saying the same, Well, then you kind of start to sound like a curmudgeon, right. And I realized five years ago that I was a thirty one year old curmudgeon when it came to Penn State in football, because like now, you can't say the same things that you just said. Jeus right, because I talk and I read and I study a lot about mediums and how they affect us socially. And what is the purpose of having no names on the back of your jerseys and still using it as a marketing tool? You know, black shoes, no names, no names? Yeah, right, game, what's the use of that if you're tagging every single player in an Instagram post, right if you're tagging them and you're making a highlight video of like player one through seventy five, Right, Guys that hardly see the field still need an Instagram post.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: And it's just this egalitarian way. There's no achievement, there's no wiping away of oneself, there's no honor in being the practice guy, practice squad guy. Like it takes it away. I just think it takes away from the nature of Penn State. And I hope it swings back into that and that they lead in a new way of not having like Instagram highlight videos every five seconds, that it becomes some stoic private thing. But I know that becomes difficult with the type of controversy that they've had where they had to change into this, you know, a different thing. But yeah, I have a lot of thoughts on that. I just kind of stay away because I have so many of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jay, don't you think that that's just the way it is now with these youngins no matter what. I mean, You've got kickers with and it's just the way. It's also a recruiting tool too, there, I mean in terms of like everybody, if we don't have the names and all the other stuff. Can we splashing social media to make it seem like we're not old school in arcade?

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Speaker 1: Sure, but I think that's I think that's what's going to swing back. And if football, If football and the nature of football and the game that we loved or at least developed us as men, can stay intact for another fifty years, I think there's gonna be an opportunity for that type of thing, the original Penn State to come back. I think of like a mixture of like the Rugby All Blacks, you know, the team the All Blacks, right, like something more of the All Blacks, something more of the Patriots, right, something where this this kind of standard comes back into I'm hoping whether it's Penn State football, it's gonna pop up somewhere else. If it's not Penn State, I mean, that attitude of reductionism, of reducing oneself in order to join a team, it's gonna come back up. It's it's it's it's first gonna trend, and then it's gonna become like more real, like more placers are going to try to do it, or at least that's what I've always hoped for, or envisioned. Is that that comes back. I do think the way that we communicate via Instagram, podcasts, and the way that like the moniker of I am more than an athlete has kind of spread throughout like all of you know, collegiate even high school sports where you hear younger and younger kids saying I'm more than an athlete. Well, then it's like, well, you're not specializing enough. First, you have to be just an athlete. You have to specialize. You have to like kind of cut yourself off socially and be socially ignorant to be a very very hyper specialized professional. Right, That's why you're a professional football player. But anyways, Yeah, I could go off for days about the concept of Penn State changing from you know, this kind of reduced militaristic quasi militaristic like development of men and then when you leave here, grow your beard, do whatever you want, you know, but you went through this period or this stage of development or incubation if you will. And the older I've gotten, I've really really appreciated Joe and the program that it was a part of.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely love and you definitely were not a kicker with an ig account or the practice squad guy ja oh you w No, you were not that. You were all Big ten a couple times. At Penn State. You were an All American as a senior. So here comes the National Football League in twenty ten, the draft rolls around, your goal is actualized. I heard a couple different interviews where you talked about, Hey, I went to class. I basically did what I had to do to achieve what my goal was. And my goal at that time in life was to be a national a player in the National Football League. And the Miami Dolphins helped you realize that. They make you the first round draft choice. And there were a couple things that you said in these interviews about that transition from and it's interesting now to hear your perspective on Penn State, but that transition from leaving that environment to not just landing in the National Football League but landing in Miami, right, and so there were two things that jumped out at me that you said. One was and juice, you're gonna love this part, but that you went from playing in front of one hundred ten thousand people every game to now you're in the National Football League. It is supposed to be the big time, and you had this downsize of forty thousand people, like forty thousand is a real number, and that that was like you had to process that, like, wait a minute, you know, now I'm in the league and there's almost half the amount of people. So I thought that was really interesting. And then you know, there was this idea that you said, and I don't think this is uncommon necessarily, but you had the self reflection that you didn't handle your role as a first round jraft choice very well. And so I'm very curious to hear what you meant by that. Whether it was simply a maturity thing relative to your age and the money that was there and the lure of South Beach, or was it the pressure that comes with being a first round pick. You know, if you're a second round pick, you just don't walk into the locker room with the same stuff hanging over your head that a first round pick does. And I like to tease my partner here about being a first round pick, but that is a no, no, I'm gonna sure it. That is a real thing that both of you guys had to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: So every time we record, I.

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Speaker 2: Give them a hard time about being a first round pick. But in this case, I'm really curious as to why you felt you didn't handle that well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was your first question?

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Speaker 3: Was?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 5: I know I threw a whole lot of downsize the downsize this just how what that that impact of going from I achieved this goal, I you know, this thing that I put up on this pedestal and wait a minute, there's forty thousand less people here at our data.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. I think, you know, I was processing all of that at the same time that I was trying to perform as this first round draft pick and trying to figure out what people meant by all the different types of you know, pressure and insinuations. I think, you know, looking back on it, I think, you know, just my interactions with Jeff Ireland. I remember, like just I think there was some like some things about NFL football in general, but the program at that time that there were all these kind of like new like social pressures. I was looking back on it, it really feels like, you know, Jeff Ireland was like worried for his job. And then also because like the year before, you know, I come into a locker room that the year before they drafted a mixed half black, half white defensive end who's six foot five, three hundred pounds from Clemson the year before Philip Merlin. That's right, and that Philip Merlin had the same agent as Jeff Ireland. And so Philip Merlin he had his issues, right. I don't think that he would call me up and be like, yo, you're you're you're talking. He had some issues, right, And I think that was like an Ireland pick or an Ireland selection, and I think I was. I just thought it was so weird that he was there. And then I felt like the same exact pick. Like I felt like I was like the same mold almost in terms of like body size, social background, all the stuff. And I was like, so, I also think they either meant to trade the pick.

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Speaker 3: It's just it.

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Speaker 1: Always I felt I didn't feel wanted, right, even as a first round pick. Crack, Yeah, I didn't feel wanted. I don't. I don't think they drafted me properly. So a lot of the you know, the the first round stuff that you know you and I gets, you know, as I got older, I legitimized some of it instead of like fighting it where I was like, yeah, there's some things that that that didn't make sense, and I think I felt that early on. One was that two learning the two gap when I never two gaped to Penn State was a big thing for me because I was used to getting off the ball and into an offensive lineman where I don't have to react to them as much. Where if your first step is going to be lateral as a two gapper, right, I'm reacting a lot more off of Jake Long in front of me at practice, then he has to react off of me. And that was a totally different scheme inside my head. If I wasn't moving within the defense, then I had to kind of play this like flat footed position as opposed to kind of point it in on my nose. So that was something different and new. But then yeah, I mean in terms of South Beach, I think what I prided myself on at Penn State, which is probably why they got the most out of me, was I burnt the candle at both ends. I was going out a lot, I was still going all to my classes. I was very social, I was you know, I was doing a bunch of different things, and I think I tried to take that on when I first got to Miami as well, that I could go out and still do the practice. That I could go out and there is kind of like a big dog sense of that in the locker room, where it's like it's like if you could, if you could drink a bottle of Patron the night before, right, still wake up and go kick ass. Right, you know you're kind of that dude. You know you're you walk in and you can do that. And I know that I did that probably one too many times at Penn State, where I still did all my three hundreds, right, did you guys have to do three hundreds?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, three yards?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the three hundred yard shuttles in this r well.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Johnson brought that in.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, we had that, and we had the one tens, but yeah, the three hundred yard shuttles.

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Speaker 1: Well, Penn State, I never missed them, right, it was this thing. I never missed them. I still beat all of my my uh my peers and my peer group or my d line group, right, I was always you know, and then I think those were some of the things that that when I first got there. But yeah, just I think the relationships. It was who else was there that was. It was the relationships of the front office, you know, coming in and joining you know, South Beach. I just fired Peter Schaeffer, my agent signed Drew Rosenhaus. You know, there was all these things. I was I was kind of basking in the whole thing a little bit too much. And if maybe if that's that's what I meant, but hearing your words or repeating my words, Uh, that's what I think.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you know, j O Seth and I both agree with this that we don't really give a damn what anybody does all week long, as long as they come up and do their job like you did, you know on Sunday. You know what I mean, you can burn them both ends as long as you're not you know, coming up short with our teammates. And real quick, I'm gonna go back to the whole thing about We talk about this a lot of times with quarterbacks that get drafted and they go into a system that they didn't do or what they didn't run in college, and they expect them to be the same guy. You know, you were, you were, you were willing and then able to adapt to you know, playing a two gap like they wanted to do instead of them using you like they like they fucking drafted you from you know, at Penn State. It makes it's it's frustrating sometimes, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I was very frustrated because it was like I called up coach Johnson at Penn State and I said, has a first round pick ever been traded before the beginning of the season. And he starts just laughing and he's like, no, that's not happening, and I'm like, it kind of makes sense, Like coach, if you were here at practice, you see, like, hey, look I'm not doing this very well, and I don't like it. Like that's yeah, I was confused by what I put on tape, you know, by what I put on tape at Penn State, and like what I did well, I'm like and then it's like, okay, you thought it would transfer well. And then the other thing was too, is that you know, this was my doing where me and my agent really wanted to make sure that we did interview as both a three four D n and a four to three D tackle right because that might raise my draft stock, right, And so that was the things that like, you know, I welcomed the idea of two gapping, but it did take me a few years to kind of change my mind. I think my second year was obviously way better because I didn't play the rest of my first year after I got hurt. But I came back my second year with a way better understanding of how to approach the year. And I think that that became one of my values as I learned it from Randy Stark's, Paul SOLEII and those guys and watched them two gap and watch them, you know, cheat the system a little bit, you know, of what their rules were where they could bend the rules of a two gapping system, you know, and it was like, oh, okay. So once I learned some of those things, I think that's where my value eventually went up. But yeah, initially I was so upset by the switch, even though I knew it and I accepted it and I sold myself as such. But then I think it took me a few years to really learn the craft from those guys and then uh and then yeah, and then for the Jaguars to find value and for me to go do it again.

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Speaker 4: And when talking about in that room, talk about that room, man, what a cast of characters you had right here. You mentioned a couple of guys Starts and Solely and Kennel Lank for of course another Penn Stator and Cam Wake and I think j T joined that room a year later or so. Man as a young guy. I mean, that had to be that had to be a lot of fun. Was it intimidating? I mean, was it beneficial to be in front of all these these veteran guys? And uh, I mean more importantly, what was the best part about being around all these guys?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I'm trying to think of what was most intimidating.

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Speaker 4: I mean the first round pickets already already being No, that was intimidating for me. I'm gonna tell you that right now. You know, when you got a veteran presence in there, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's I think the the probably the most intimidating thing was when Philip Merlin was trying to help me pay for that first week of training camp. I was getting lunch every day for all the guys in the room, for the veterans in the room, where I'd have to run out and go get lunch. Whether you know, it was a fast food join or whether it was fine dining. You know, they you know, made you run on you know, these different cheesecake factory whatever that was where it's like a thirty minute drive. We got like forty minutes for lunch. It's like, you know, but I remember Philip Merlin was trying to help me out. He's like, hey man, you know he had his light voice, Hey, go out in my car a while out there had just been that one more time tail go out in my car. He don't don't worry. He's like, you don't have to pay for audusts, go ahead and get that. And so we went in. I went into go into the into the little compartment in my car, go ahead and grab some cash. And I just saw this boat load of cash and thinking that that was normal when I first got down there, that you just gave that was intimidating because it was like I just didn't know what, like hold on, so I have to I have to live this way? What is this a South Florida thing? You know, I didn't know what it was. But but no, I mean I think it was intimidating to see. I think, uh impressive to see uh yeah, the skill that they had built and it was everybody's reaction time. And I saw that they had a way faster reaction time to diagnosing the play and what they should do with their bodies, you know, because you know, they had learned the system that you're only going to do like one of four things against this type of offense. And then if it's this formation, well then I'm gonna I'm either getting a double team or I'm still dropping a knee, you know. So it was that it was quick. They diagnosed the play quick, and Randy Starks was was the leader of that because I think he, uh, both on and off the field, you know, was very sure of himself as a player, learned the system and it did really well. And yeah, just having camp Wake in the room and just his story from Penn State to you know, Canadian football and back and then what he was able to learn and then kind of synthesize or how he was able to play so fast. Yeah, So it was there was a lot of impressive dudes in there. There was a lot of impressive dudes. Uh, And we did have a good time, Paul solely, I was definitely a good time and uh wait.

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Speaker 3: Wait what up? We gotta we gotta talk about some barbecues. Then you're gonna go with Paul.

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Speaker 4: We got to talk about we gotta get some barbecue talking bro cook out whatever the hell was.

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Speaker 3: Going on, Paul.

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Speaker 1: Have you had any cava over there? But you know what I heard aboubout the cava?

00:30:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, best told us about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, so yeah it was it's more the cava.

00:30:56
Speaker 1: We'll go over there for the cava. But but yet, no, he does. He still have that like tropical paradise house.

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Speaker 3: No more than Utah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, See, he's like me. He wants to wear a collar and be cold.

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Speaker 3: Half the year.

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Speaker 2: He definitely does.

00:31:14
Speaker 1: You know, and be cold half the year living around these either the Mormons or the Amish, right, you know, they keep us in line.

00:31:22
Speaker 2: I'm sensing a theme for sure.

00:31:26
Speaker 1: They keep us in line, you know.

00:31:28
Speaker 4: I mean you look at that roster too, man, there were I mean, there were some some characters and players on you know, all throughout that locker room during your tenure here in Miami. But at the same time, though the team wasn't doing very well, I mean, didn't experience very great didn't experience any good results. I think we were like thirty six and forty four record in the five seasons, you had two coaching changes, you had top Bowls who replaced on his Berano, and of course Joe Philbin steps in for a season.

00:31:51
Speaker 3: Now.

00:31:52
Speaker 4: On a personal level, like you talked about, I don't think they maximize your abilities out there.

00:31:57
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's just me.

00:31:59
Speaker 4: But for you know, for a guy from a guy who came from a program that was used to winning, what did the losing couple maybe the struggle of you know, meeting your expectations as a player, What did that do for you and how did that affect your NFL experience?

00:32:12
Speaker 1: Well in terms of you know, you saying that like maximizing ability always wonder stuff like that, you know, in hindsight. And then also because you want to take on as much as the responsibility as possible in order for you to develop, right, But you don't want to ever sound like the guy that's like man coach didn't use me, right, But you know, I guess I did get some credibility, or at least that's what I felt my last year. I didn't when I was still entertaining, playing an eighth year, I got an offer from the Patriots. Someone up there, visited and had meeting with Belichick, did the whole thing, and just Belichick talking about me as a player, where I know he doesn't really compliment people very freely, and you know where it was like he was complimenting as player and saw how I would fit directly into their defense, and I was like, man, that's that's a compliment in itself. And so you know, that kind of gave me a little bit of a boost of a morale, Like at the end of my career, trying to think, you know, do I have anything to offer, But in terms of yeah, kind of going from a program where you're having one hundred and ten thousand screaming people and you're winning ninety five percent of your games to a totally different situation. It kind of matched how I played high school football honestly in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania's got a strong high school football culture, but our school didn't necessarily do that. And I'm not sure whether it was because our schools, like sixty percent Hispanic and Hispanics don't play football at the same rate that I guess either quote unquote white or black populations do within Pennsylvania and other places. But it didn't have like the same like kind of culture in like at our school. I think basketball was more popular and a few other things are bowling team that was the most successful.

00:33:58
Speaker 2: Yeahs attention, let's go.

00:34:02
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was different. But it definitely was a change. And when you have less people, you know, I think it also felt a little bit more gimmicky, you know, because there was that that that h like what was the the aqua carpet. You were part of the partnership where I was like, man, like, you know, we don't have to like convince people to show up at Penn State, you know.

00:34:28
Speaker 3: Like you had Tim Tebow Day too. Were you there for the Tim Tebow Gay.

00:34:33
Speaker 1: He didn't even play for the team.

00:34:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't play for our team, right, play for.

00:34:42
Speaker 2: Florida Gator Day. It wasn't T.

00:34:44
Speaker 3: Day, it was day. We know what it was.

00:34:46
Speaker 2: At the end of the day.

00:34:48
Speaker 3: Thank you.

00:34:49
Speaker 1: Yeah you forgot about that, But yeah, no, it was I think it was difficult. But then, you know, when you go from something like Joe and this like long story tradition where you really don't have room to argue, and to something like this where now you're getting paid, you know, now you're in a situation where you do see like gimmicks like that to try to get more people in the stadium, and then you start to see, yeah, like you start to gain a little bit more authority when you have a five year deal. But you just saw coach leave and then this coach leaves and this coach comes in. It's kind of like, well, you know, I'm I'm a part of the house. My contract's not going anywhere. I'm seeing this revolving door of stuff. So yeah, it was, Yeah, it was. It was quite a shock and a change, and I think you know it, you know, I think it can be easily disheartening for players when they make that shift or transition. And you know, my first meeting with the Dolphins or my d line was in a trailer outside. You know, when you go from the Penn State Lash football facility to meeting in a trailer in the parking lot and then having lunch in a tent, you know, a pop up tent. You know, it's like, what what's going on? So, yeah, I think it was.

00:36:10
Speaker 2: They've addressed that. They definitely their new facility is crazy. Yeah, so there's another element of your experience as well, probably not just a professional football player, but that I wanted to ask you about the consistent theme that we hear on this show all of the time, and it's how much, guys, when we talk about now in retirement, is what do you miss most? It's the locker room. Almost almost to a man, guys talk about missing the locker room. Juice would say the same thing. But I, again, I watched a lot of things when I knew we were going to have you on the show here, and you had this opportunity to speak in front of a class at Penn State, and they have all these different elements of that conversation on YouTube, and you gave an answer that was very well thought out. I think anybody who's hearing you for the first time can tell that you you know, you're You're obviously incredibly bright guy and a deep thinker. But you gave this answer, and the professor said, when did you become a thinker? And you kind of looked at him and you were like, I was always this way, But these conversations are not facilitated by the locker room, and that like that hit me. That hit me pretty heavily, and and so I just wonder if did you always feel when you were in a locker room. Obviously you belonged in a locker room. You you know, you kicked ass everywhere you were your first round draft pick for a reason. But did you always feel that you looked at the world through maybe a different lens than many of your peers did or or and or was there a time where you were like, well, maybe I need to just squash that and kind of just be like, you know, let me assimilate into what what the behavior's supposed to look like here in the locker room.

00:38:00
Speaker 1: I forgot about that interaction with the Penn State the sociology class. Yeah, and I do think, yeah, there were I think that's why I retired or why I moved on, Like I never you know, made like a retirement speech or an announcement or anything like that. But you know, it's just kind of like you just move on. And I think I wanted to move on. I think what I started realizing towards the end of my career was that I couldn't keep and I would try. I would try to seek out those conversations that I wanted. My last two years with the Jags, like whenever I was up North, I was going to the comedy seller up in the city in Manhattan, and I was always trying to connect with people that were speaking about larger social topics or whatever it was, in a more eloquent way than I saw my peers in the locker room talking about things or in a comedic way. And I think I was always seeking out a different type of social engagement. And I saw that there were clear limitations, like within a football locker room, because you know, you don't want to get away from the goal, right, You don't want to get away from the main thing. You don't want to get away from that, And especially when you're in a collective group like that, you know, it makes sense that there's kind of a limitation put on either subjects or points of view, especially if we're all supposed to be oriented in the same direction, in the same goal week to week. And so I can you know, of course there were locker room conversations that would expand into all types of stuff, but yeah, I think there were more insular and insulated types of thoughts or expressions, and I didn't know what that meant. And I think eventually, when I feel like I re educated myself five years after the five, like for solid five years after football, you know, I think it was It's just it was the visual arts that I needed to approach, which was honestly reading and writing more and having my reading and writing attached to my interests not like from school.

00:40:08
Speaker 3: And.

00:40:10
Speaker 1: So developing that is. I think why I may have said that that at Penn State at the time, because I was really, you know, deep in a lot of reading and a lot of writing, and a lot of engaging more than just also you know a lot of painting and sketching and stuff like that. And I felt like that was a really big therapeutic time for myself because that discrepancy that I think some guys feel in they sense whenever we would visit. I just talked about this yesterday, whenever we would travel to a team or to go play another team. And it was after you know, from rookie year on, you have all your friends that don't play football. They're out in the world trying to make it in whatever it calls the real world. As if I don't live in it, right is, if my world isn't real. And I even took that on myself. Whenever we would go visit, I would always kind of go off by myself and watch the real world, right and just kind of like sit there and be like, you know, half these people are going to be watching what we're doing tomorrow, you know, and and they're doing these things to then go watch it right there? What are these like? They're going to work, they're they're commuting their own trains there. And I always felt separate from that right where, you know, if we are traveling through town, we have a police motorcate, you know, and that is quite a social bubble. And you don't realize until you have to, you know, fly you know, group six on a frontier flight right.

00:41:40
Speaker 2: Red light right, like.

00:41:43
Speaker 1: Stop the rent a center and have to prove that no, I'm Jereed Obtric right.

00:41:50
Speaker 3: You know.

00:41:51
Speaker 1: It's it is quite a social bubble that you live in. And so I think I was always curious. I was always curious about uh am, I actually being held back in different way by having such an insulated experience, not being able to ask questions, uh you know, in a locker room of an intellectual nature. And I realized that that wasn't for that, that's not for that that, that's.

00:42:12
Speaker 3: Not what that.

00:42:15
Speaker 1: Locker room supports and nor is it supposed to. But I think that's also why, you know, I'm a full believer that it's a young man's game, and it's supposed to be a young man's game, and it's supposed to develop young men. But I think that's also why I got out at the time, because I'm like, I didn't feel like a young man anymore, and I don't think I wanted to. I don't think I wanted to play anymore. I wanted to I wanted to start having other conversations that the locker room didn't facilitate. And I think I found that a lot of reading and re education ins front of myself with with people that make a lifetime out of educating themselves, which isn't the highest ideal either. I think they need to get out and do a few squats and hit people, you know, somewhere in the middle, right, Yeah, you know, so that's where i'd like to believe that I live, or you know, where I wanted to go. But yeah, no, I'm glad you caught that because I haven't thought about that. And I think at the time, I was making a documentary, you know, and it was about you know, kind of around about CTE and what I thought about it, because you know, straight up, a lot of people won't even approach me about the concept because they're scared of talking about it. But it's not very strong scientifically, and I think we had a big enough of a world crisis for people to actually see that, you know, there is a difference between believing in something and then providing a scientific rigor around it. And I think, I think a lot of people have new thoughts about stuff like that, and I think CTE will eventually die as a concept because we've all gotten smarter through the whole COVID situation. CTE doesn't have enough science around it, and I think that's why I was approaching it as a concept and talking about what develops inside of the locker room and what doesn't. And I think when you realize that, or when you don't really lize you know that there's this kind of developmental discrepancy inside a locker room and then outside of it, I think then that's when you get hit with symptoms of what they call CTE. And I think it takes a lot of social, psychological, and spiritual development to get yourself out of those types of conditions and some people have better support systems than others. But I made the documentary in order for people to engage it, so I could engage them in a way to let you know that you're not crazy. And in having this uh inability after you're done playing or feeling like you're not developing a certain way, well, it's going to take work, you know. And I try to show my work that I did to release confusing thoughts about my previous career and trying to become someone new, because it's hard for anybody to do.

00:44:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:44:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, man, there's a lot there to process. No, you don't have to apologize. You don't have to apologize. I'm just digesting it. Yeah, I'm just processing. Yeah, yeah, definitely don't apologie.

00:45:03
Speaker 1: I think at Penn State, at Penn State, where it's like there weren't things, facilities, and that's true for all of us. You know, people get divorce and it's the same thing where there's certain aspects of themselves that weren't allowed to blossom in that relationship. And then they get out of it and they feel like first a crazy person because they don't have any of their habits or anything, you know, or their schedules or their normal things together, right, and then you start to realize like, oh, I can express myself. And so you have this kind of teenage angst against football where you want to leave it behind and leave all the stuff behind. And then you're like you realize, well, it's not you have this teenage angst against a former spouse. It's like, well, I'm not really mad at that person. I was mad at you know, this sense of more development or something different that I wanted to do and I have to learn how to do that. And then you get angry at like not knowing how to do that. And I think that's where a lot of people get stuck and think that they have a disease when it's actually just a part of the developmental process of learning something new, becoming something new, and having a new social circle.

00:46:08
Speaker 2: Well you just mentioned that new social circle and also how you re educated yourself. I love that term and pouring into the visual arts, and so I have a couple of questions for you about that. But before I get into that, I got to say this too. I don't know if you're following Jo on Instagram. I've noticed a couple of years ago, like I need to know. I pull the curtain back for me on your ig account, Like, do you have a cinematographer follow you? Like the photography. You take a picture of your coffee and the lighting seems like you've got a crew of ten people that have set up the lighting. And then I don't know if you're doing the editing, who's working with you on it, but it is I feel like I'm watching an art house film every time you post on freakin Instagram, help me, like pull the curtain back for me a little bit.

00:46:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, this Max Barguy, you know, he's a he's a different dude, and you know, I try to get him to post stuff that, you know, the football world could appreciate, but I just don't. I just don't know if Max is up for it.

00:47:10
Speaker 2: Right, We're going to address that as well, Right, that's drill.

00:47:17
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, well yeah no, it's.

00:47:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:47:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. You just try to be you don't want Instagram to be your only artistic output, but you want to be selective with what you put out there. But then also, Max bear itself, I think always represented something else. I think he represents something else. I think he represented the kind of aesthetic world that existed outside of football. So I think, you know, it's it's I think what Max Beharon's up talking about, especially during the World event. I think there are a lot more things inclined towards talking about things he disagreed with that seem to be public consensus. And I think a lot of people use pseudonyms to be able to express something different than what's been attached to their character. You know, when you look up Jared Odric on the internet, you find a lot of football stuff, right, but Max Bear kind of puts off something a little bit different than you know, a bunch of group shots of it puts up a perspective, right, It's a perspective as opposed to my life, my day in the life as Jared Odric, retired NFL football player, number ninety eight, number one in your heart.

00:48:32
Speaker 3: You know.

00:48:33
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean right now, with the racing stuff, you know, there's tons of people trying to find work at the track, and you find some talented dudes that want to make, you know, racing videos. You know, it's pretty cool what they can do with the camera. But then but yeah, Max Bear, the name actually came from football. It came from coach Duffner if you remember him, the linebacker coach Duck.

00:49:01
Speaker 3: Yeah. And so.

00:49:04
Speaker 1: Okay, so we get the whole new coaching staff, uh coming into Miami. Right when Joe Filbing gets hired. We're all away. We hear this higher and we're like who right, you know, it's like who is this guy? And so we're all, you know, attached to Twitter at the time. I don't I'm not on Twitter anymore, can't do it. It's but when I was playing, I was, you know, still very much on Twitter. And and and when the Joe Philbin hire happened, and then you started to seeing the other coaching selections coming in. Uh, it was the off season. I'm like, all right, well, let me go, you know, stick my nose into the building and you know, in the off season and snoop around and you know, let my face be shown, because you know, you start to you want to build a rapport with the new group coming in and so, uh, you want to show them that you're there for workouts and you know, uh, and you're a guy that can count on. And so I I was there and I went around the corner and I'm not sure, Yeah, that building is probably not the same anymore. I went around the building or around the corner inside the building in Davy and and I bumped into this character who I had never seen before, and it was older man. He goes hey, and I go, hey, what's up? And he goes, what's your name? I said, my name is Shared. What's your number? And I said number ninety eight. He goes, I'm going to watch you, right, and he like walks away.

00:50:30
Speaker 3: What's your name?

00:50:31
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's your around?

00:50:36
Speaker 3: Right?

00:50:37
Speaker 2: I love it?

00:50:38
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it.

00:50:39
Speaker 1: So I'm like, the hell is this guy? So I go do my workout.

00:50:43
Speaker 3: I leave.

00:50:43
Speaker 1: The next week, I come back in same corner, same spot, same time, boom, run into the same guy right, and he goes hey, and I'm like, hey, you know and uh and he goes, I got it. And I'm like, what do you got your new name? And I'm like, I get a new name now. And he goes Max Bear and I'm like, I said, okay, I dig it. He goes you know who he is? And I said yeah, he was the boxer right. He's like, yeah, one of the hardest punchers there ever was. I said yeah. He goes and you play like that, and I'm like, oh, I said cool. He's like, yeah, you can slug it out. And I'm like, oh cool, cool, and he's like, all right, Maxie, see that practice. And so then my whole first season, So that whole first season he's yelling all right, Max, whenever I make a play practice all right, MAXI and CoA, mecI and all the other linebackers will come over and they'd be like, what the hell's wrong with What are you going to tell this guy your name? And I'm like, I said, don't worry about it. We have an agreement.

00:51:48
Speaker 2: We got we got going here, we.

00:51:50
Speaker 1: Got a thing. And so then because I called that so much, I kind of just, you know, just switched it to Max bear it.

00:52:00
Speaker 2: That was so good.

00:52:02
Speaker 3: That's too good.

00:52:04
Speaker 4: That's good, you know, Jael with so many I mean this seth, how interesting is this?

00:52:08
Speaker 3: We knew it though? Right? How interesting is everything?

00:52:11
Speaker 2: Man?

00:52:13
Speaker 3: So good? Man?

00:52:14
Speaker 4: You know, and with all the stuff that you that you're doing, Joe, I wanted to I want to ask you, man, where now is football in your life?

00:52:22
Speaker 3: Man? Is just something that you did is part of your past? You know? Do you watch games? You root for any team?

00:52:29
Speaker 4: Tell me where it's at, Man, you keep in touch with any of the guys we talked about earlier.

00:52:33
Speaker 3: Where's football at for you? Right now?

00:52:36
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just went to a wedding in New York of my teammate from Penn State, Jack Crawford. He played nine years in the league d Lineman, Cowboys, Raiders, Uh yeah, Titans, Falcons, and he ended up playing with my Dolphins teammate Derek Shelby in Atlanta, And so Shelby.

00:52:59
Speaker 3: Was at the wedding.

00:53:01
Speaker 1: And I haven't seen him in a while, and you know, we haven't spoken, you know, in a few years, and so it was good to see them. And it was always good to see, you know, like football guys and football bodies, especially with like my girlfriend. Now, you know, she'd never seen me play football, right or it was ever around me. You know, we met just over a year ago. And so then kind of having these old relationships come back and you know, the familiarities that she doesn't recognize was was pretty cool. And you know it's like it's like if the Internet didn't say it, like, I don't know she'd think I was a football player, right because I'm not watching football. I'm totally in racing, and I think it's got to be a full immersion for you to actually become good enough to call yourself a driver. And you know, because you can join racing and do it and like you can have fun doing it. But I'm at the point where it is fun when I'm achieving so and that's only fun when that only you only achieve when you're really in it and you're you're committed to it both in you know, physicality, mind and spirit. And it's become a really good tool for me to like drop weight too, you know, because being bigger just doesn't help, even if it is semi fit, you know, even if I am fit a more fit than I was at least body fat percentage in when I was playing. But it it's become this medium to also help me become this different guy that doesn't have you know, some linemen have weight problems, or some running backs, some specialty positions have weight problems because they built these patterns of either eating or compensating after practice or after a game or whatever it is, whether that's eating, drinking or any types of habits, and if they can't change them, so it's like it becomes you know, negative what was once positive for you within the game more contexts of football or keeping weight. So yeah, raising is really, you know, kind of introduced some things that I think is going to make me a healthy gentleman driver or older man. And so I guess I'm kind of looking forward to that because racing also possesses a bunch of older men in it, especially at the amateur level, where you know, they've sold a few businesses, you know, they've divorced a few wives, and they have some wisdom for you to let you you know, how they got to the point where they can still race, both just competitively but physically. You got sixty five year old drivers, seven year old drivers, and they're still wheeling it. And it's like, man, like, I want to be like you. And when I'm in within football, I think I just don't. Don't. I don't see that same type of.

00:55:46
Speaker 3: Guy.

00:55:47
Speaker 1: I mean, there's tons of coaches that I respect, right, there's older men that I respect. But professionally, it's just there's so many positions professionally that you know, it wipes away what football is as a sport and social training tool and a discipline and its business, and it's a type of business that I really don't really want to be in or watch anymore, because I can't ignore the business when I see the business happening, you know, and blended with the sport. You know, I respect the sport. I like watching high school kids play, but even collegiately, it kind of feels like, you know, it's becoming more pro ball than it is about you know, us all being involved even as spectators and watching men develops.

00:56:35
Speaker 3: I say, yeah, you know, I can't. I can't. I can't mess with jail Man. That dude here is too.

00:56:41
Speaker 4: It's awesome stuff, man, and really good, you know, no matter what though, Man, I know I know Dolphins like myself. Man, we still love you down here. Man, And you said you don't watch as much FOOTBA or any football at all. Man, we'd love to still have you come back and rock that auquand orange jacket with us on Alumni weekend. Bring your girlfriend and we can have you can hear even more stories.

00:57:00
Speaker 1: That's what I would like to do. I would love to do that and show her. I would love to do that and show her. I think she really really enjoyed it. Obviously I would too, because it's a brand new place. You know what I really want to do. I want I would love to wear some aquad and orange and race a Porsche Cup car because the series that I'm practicing for is one of the opening races for the F one Series down in Miami. That's my whole goal. I didn't through the stadium. I want to race through the stadium in my car. And I wanted Steve. I wanted Stephen Ross to see it, and I wanted I wanted him to come for me.

00:57:38
Speaker 2: Yes, now you got something to work on. I think you're talking to the right guy here for And there's no more orange carpet, so you don't have to worry about that part. So you have to The orange carpet was gone.

00:57:49
Speaker 3: I got four orange seats the orange. They're all awkward now, a.

00:57:53
Speaker 2: Lot of awkward.

00:57:55
Speaker 1: There's a lot that's good stuff. No, there's crazy developments on there, and i'd love to see it.

00:57:59
Speaker 4: Well, I'll make sure we get you down here. Man for alumni, I mean for alumni weekend.

00:58:03
Speaker 2: Man, it's awesome board right there you're talking to all right, I'm not.

00:58:09
Speaker 3: The chairman, don't don't. I'm not the chairman, just a member.

00:58:11
Speaker 2: Like unofficially or something. But you're an active member Juice as long as people don't sit in his seat and the alumni, Sweet Juice is good and he welcomes everybody.

00:58:20
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up real quick, can I just say, do you remember the first place I met you? In South Florida?

00:58:26
Speaker 3: Juice, no.

00:58:30
Speaker 2: Club, It's all starting to make sense.

00:58:34
Speaker 1: A club casino, I said, man, I said, he's never going back to Pennsylvania.

00:58:43
Speaker 3: You never lied to you?

00:58:47
Speaker 4: You ain't you? You were at my charity event. Yeah, yeah, you were at Passion. That's where, well you were a pastor and my charity event.

00:58:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Yeah, you can feel the passion for sure. All Right, I know you've got a race to prepare for. We're gonna let you get back to everything you've got to do in your process, but we have we end every episode with what we call our two minute drill. Who better to handle fast paced questions and a guy who is driving fast now on a daily basis, So we're just gonna hit you with a few quick questions, uh, nothing too heavy, and you look very prepared for it. So all right, we're gonna technically start the two minute drill the proverbial clock here. We know the defensive guys juice. They just want to get the hell off the field.

00:59:35
Speaker 4: Whatever we'll get take it the other way, four and out in a two minute drie right out.

00:59:41
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, ready to get the strip sack and yeah, okay, go for it.

00:59:46
Speaker 3: All right.

00:59:47
Speaker 4: You share the screen with legendary actor Sovester Salon in the film Samaritan and he kicks your ass? I mean, right, so what is it like to go total so with a super powered Rocky Balboa?

01:00:05
Speaker 1: It was awesome? You know, uh is it a one word answer?

01:00:08
Speaker 3: No? No?

01:00:09
Speaker 2: You oh you things?

01:00:11
Speaker 1: No, it was awesome. It was It was really cool. It was surreal because it happened so quickly. I got hired so quickly. I was doing interviews for the documentary up in Montana. I get a call fly straight to Atlanta from Montana. And the first thing I do is I'm driving a car in a scene where I'm stalking, uh, Sylvester Stallone. Well, halfway through they yelled cut and they're like, why is he driving the car that's supposed to be a stunt driver. So insurance wise, I wasn't even supposed to be driving driver.

01:00:43
Speaker 3: Damn it.

01:00:44
Speaker 1: But you know, you can't help me back.

01:00:47
Speaker 3: You know.

01:00:47
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so that's one. But then having the scene where he kills me, it was so funny because he did something that you only imagine Sylvester Saloon does, which was we're doing like our tenth take and hold on, hold on, cut cut. You know, you know he moves a little bit slower now, all right, but you wouldn't know that. You wouldn't know that at all. But heels cut and what he's doing is hammering a grenade into my chest, right, and then he flicks it off and it explodes. Well, the thing was heels cut on the tenth take and he's like, I got an idea, right, and he says, he says to the director, he goes, how about when I jam it in his chest? I flick it and I leave. But then I turn around and I say, have a blast, And they're like, great, fly let's roll with it. Well, yeah, we love it, we love it. So he does it and he makes the film. So it was surreal that I'm here, pinned up against the wall and he has one of his you know, stalone moments, and it was beautiful.

01:01:52
Speaker 2: That is great that you got to see it. That is so cool. We're going to keep it moving. I don't even know. I'm a little scared to go here. But I was texting with ov Olivier Vernon last night. I said, hey, we got you know, Jared's coming on the show. He goes, ask him about the red cups. I don't know what that means, but I'm going for it.

01:02:10
Speaker 1: Ask them about the red cups. Oh, maybe it was the time I got I got caught bringing beer into the practice facility. It might be that where I brought in beer to the practice facility because we were finishing camp and I wanted to celebrate, And you know, I think that's the kind of guy I was. I was not an unofficial captain of sorts, but that that's kind of how I was at Penn State, where I was the guy that kind of towed the line for everyone. And so it was like I brought beer in because I knew it would piss philbinoff, right, but at the same time, like I knew we deserved it, right, and so I brought it in and I bought beers. It might have been, and then we tried hiding the red cups.

01:02:59
Speaker 2: I think that's had red cups you weren't hiding it. I just want you to know that's a given.

01:03:05
Speaker 3: In a keg.

01:03:08
Speaker 1: And so then like we started drinking it, and then they're like and so then coach Casey Rogers comes in. He's like, not a good idea big dog. He goes, I think the big guys coming down here like ship. And so then we get it all outside and we got we must have had the cups sitting around and he comes in he does us drinking beer on the job. What's wrong with you? And we're like, coach, coach, We're done, like this is the end, like we're just celebrating. And so then I got I got five guys fined for having cups.

01:03:36
Speaker 2: They got fined for the cups.

01:03:38
Speaker 1: They got fine too.

01:03:41
Speaker 3: I played half like I think I.

01:03:43
Speaker 1: Played for free almost one game coming.

01:03:48
Speaker 2: All right, we got time the red cups.

01:03:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. All right.

01:03:55
Speaker 4: So Jason Taylor, he punched through a bull's eye after a sack Cam Wake he hawked out.

01:04:00
Speaker 3: You did pee wee Herman who had a better cell of bracing? You know?

01:04:07
Speaker 4: In team history? I mean me? And how the hell did you land on that?

01:04:12
Speaker 3: One? Is yours?

01:04:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to back down from this one. I think it's the greatest that ever happened inside that stadium, you know, especially because then everybody else became involved. They would play the tequila song right, and then other people would do it right right, and so yeah, I'm sure there's other people in the stadium punching out Bull's eyes. But you know, and JT knows it, Okay, JT knows it. Okay, that's that's square right, that's El said, and we right, you gotta move, you gotta you gotta move the hips right. That's what the people in Miami want to see. It's now up here with the Amish. I don't do that right, that life is behind me, it's behind me. But what people in South Florida want to see is gyration. And so uh so that's what was happening. And I got challenged to do it because I saw Peewee's Big Adventure. Uh be like night before practice when we had Mike Nolan as a as a as a decordinator and I'd always watched it when I was a kid, but it was on the night before and he was Mike Nolan was like giving out like you know, like different like points on a points board that we had in the defensive meeting room, like if we had interceptions or fumble recoveries, and if we ran it for a touchdown, that's more points, and then if we did a celebration on top of it, it was more points. It's this point system that he had. And so I'm like, man, I wonder what I would do, And I'm like, I think I might do the pee wee Herman and Kendall Langford said, hey, you go say that, bitch t bo. He goes, you won't do it. I bet you won't do it. I said, watch me. So I sacked t Bow and I did it for the first time and it was more of a bet from Kendall than it was, and.

01:05:54
Speaker 2: A legend was born. That is a two minute drill. He is Jared object Jo. This was fantastic, man. Thank you so much for making the time thinking about it. With you having a race this weekend. This is like me asking you on a Wednesday to spend an hour plus with us to do it. And and the old PR guy and me and Harvey, we would have shut that down immediately.

01:06:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got five minutes.

01:06:19
Speaker 2: He's gotta go get taped. This was absolutely fabulous man. Thank you so much. We wish you nothing but the success as you continue to drive fast.

01:06:28
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, appreciate it. Guys, watch on the Transam Channel or math TV. Th A two coming for you.

01:06:35
Speaker 3: Love many thanks for diving in JO.

01:06:38
Speaker 1: Thank you guys much appreciate it. Thank you so much. You're now diving just.

01:06:49
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