Joe Rose: The Big Dog is Back

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Speaker 1: You're now diving. I'm gonna have been straight who then sitting down with Seth Living Oh Jay juice, and this is strictly for them true.

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Speaker 2: Fins number one of course, y'all.

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Speaker 1: This ain't the other nervus sports talk that might be.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the fish Tank presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins podcast Network, Seth Lovitt and the toughest podcaster Dan Marino ever played with. He is O J McDuffie, Juice. We're back on your side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: You know it, man, correct side of the ball, big dog. You know how that is, Seth. Anytime we get guys, especially skilled players, you know, and it's a stretch calling this guy a skilled player, but we're gonna call him skilled player anyways.

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Speaker 1: Call me average, I always say when I go to a party, somebody has to be average.

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Speaker 3: It does right, and you're here for it, yeah, man always man, This is a a great get man you know, and love this man to death, know it forever.

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Speaker 1: So this is it's gonna be a phone for sure. By backcap both of you guys. I feel the same way. And we've all been together a long time. This alumni thing. Man. You know, it seemed like this yesterday I'm watching and covering oj and now here we are all getting a little bit older.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure. Time is stopping for no man, you've heard the voice. We didn't officially introduce him, but he is Joe Rose, the Big Dog.

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Speaker 4: So Joe. When I was setting up this interview.

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Speaker 2: And I sent an email to Ann and I was like, Hey, we haven't had Joe onn since twenty eighteen, and I'm embarrassed. Now, shit, you were just on. We did the live show at the Improv. You were just on with us. But the good news is Juice, as we always say, he's one of top two, maybe top one, number one Miami Dolphin storyteller of all time. Plenty of good stories to tell. So it's setting me up, no pressure.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Well.

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Speaker 3: We talked about a little bit, you know, how we the im problems when we kicked off and we were talking about Joe was your nineteenth year, you know, doing the play by play for the Dolphins, you know, the radio broadcast, and here we are now you're in year twenty dog, and the best part of that is you spent all twenty seasons with one of your best friends in Jimmy Cefalo.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, oj And said, Jimmy and I couldn't be more different to start with. I mean literally, he's well rounded, well educated in everything. I'm one dimensional all sports and terrible at most things and very dysfunctional in relationships. And you know, Jimmy's like the perfect guy and just he's phenomenal. And having him as a good friend. We lived together in year two and need to place. He invited me to stay over at Turnberry in nineteen eighty one, so I lived over there, and guys Turnberry at that point nineteen eighty one probably is a good thing I had that man as my roommate. That was some crazy ass times at the old Turnberry in nineteen eighty one. It was a shit show over there.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Joe Rose as your roommate.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean, Joe, you're approaching the longest tenured guy on the radio and Rick Reaver did twenty three seasons, man, did you? I mean, that's pretty pretty impressive that you've got a couple decades with Jimmy.

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Speaker 1: Man, you've been entertaining us. Bro.

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Speaker 3: It's been so much fun to watch you, especially now that Seth and Night work right after you, guys. Man, especially the home games, we get a chance to walk into the broadcast booth and see where you guys are at win, los withdraw. We always get the best of Joe ro and now like that, when we're in the studio, we hear you doing commercial breaks, which.

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Speaker 1: Is far What the hell was this? Are you kidding me? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man, that's so good man, I guess you. Uh, you know the fact that you and Jimmy been so close, Man, it's got to be pretty cool, you know, call on games with your best friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And again he balances me, and he's really good and and you know, it's funny when you've been with somebody a long time and you know their personality and you kind of get to know everybody's strengths and weaknesses. And he's really good and uh, and I just think being a really good friend and another Penn State guy speaking to that, So it's it's always gonna go there. But of course, of course we can go there.

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Speaker 4: Sure you were sure you were? Dude, definitely gets to figured out.

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Speaker 2: So well, if this is twenty years of you guys, calling games together for Juice and I and then throw in Travis. It's actually our fourth season doing the post games, as he said, right after you and the home games.

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Speaker 4: It's fun.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we're we're right next to you. Sometimes Juice have got us out on the plaza what have you. We get moved around, which is kind of fun. It's a little bit of a guessing game right where we're going to be this week, and it's neat to interact with the fans. But when we are next to you, guys, we have that experience of seeing you there. It's it's always very cool. But then when the game ends, just to paint a picture for people, you and you and Jimmy are wrapping up the game, win loser, draw, you know, you guys are wrapping up the game. Jimmy always tosses it to us. Sometimes we go right on. Sometimes there's a break or whatever that might be, and then we start to do our thing. And quite honestly, when the show starts, like beforehand, I'm thinking about who's gonna be listening and this and that, But when the show starts, I imagine you guys are the same way.

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Speaker 4: I really just focus on we're having a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Juice, Travis and I were talking about the game, because if I think about everybody else who's listening, then it kind of throws me off.

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Speaker 4: I can't be the best version of who I am, sure, but what I love is later in the week, every now and then this happens.

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Speaker 1: Jus.

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Speaker 2: I'll run into Joe, and Joe will be like, Hey, I listen to you guys after the game, and you sounded good. And I know you're just bullshitting me when you say that, because when you bring it up, I know you really want to get to something that I said, or one of us said, and you're like, did you really believe that one you said? You're really ready to give me a hard time When you tell me I sounded good, You're setting me up for something.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you. And this goes directly to start with OJ, because OJ more than any any former player, anybody, even more than Bo Camper, who's hard to do and not more, that's another one in that club. OJ's by himself and takes losses personally. It's not that he disliked. Nobody loves that team more. Oh and and so when it is real bad, I'm looking for company, because I'm usually in a salty mood. You get peppered by fans going to your car and they want to talk, and you know, I talk to everybody and it's like, Joe, are we gonna is that the way it's gonna be? That's terrible? And and so you get beat up pretty good by the fans. You know, they care, man, they care. They're going to their cars getting out of there. And the first thing I'm thinking is when it's really bad or or really good, it starts with OJ because I know that if if Travis or says say something, OJ ain't letting the fly, if he ain't believing it. And I can tell by his I know OJ so well. Now when I'm in that car going out of the parking lot, it's slow, it's you know, it's packed. It takes walt even get to the main road. But uh, just knowing all your personalities, it's great. And I find myself, you know, getting involved, and I know Jay, he's not gonna let that go. Oh seth oh. Now Travis got to jump in on, come on, and so hey, listen, I think it's great. I obviously go. And to be honest, there's stuff that happens during the game that you guys bring up, and you know, you get on a roller coaster in these games, and there's stuff you forget. There's stuff that in the second quarter that was a huge play, and there's so much that happens towards the end of the game you forget, you know, and you write notes and oh my god, I'm glad those guys are reminded me. And then you know the funny part, I thought you were going here, Like the next day, I go Monday morning, I'm on that show.

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Speaker 4: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times I haven't had a lot of sleep, and I noticed that I tried not to be the grunky Monday morning guy, you know. But you go out there and I go and I'm listening to those guys last night and freaking Seth Man, faking It's like, let's move on to next week. I'm moving on the next week. I'm not doing it, not on a Monday or And so I crack up min Seth and I talk later well after reminding Joe that we do postgame. Man, We're not doing pre game. We're doing post game. We're not we can't move on the next week. Already man, he has a hard time doing that sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Especially not in the first block, right in the first block of the two hour postgame show.

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Speaker 4: And I'm trying to move on.

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Speaker 2: So the story that you're talking about, very specifically, of course, was it was I guess it was. What year was that, twenty ninth, No. Twenty twenty two. We had a seven game losing streak and we were in the midst of it. We were three or four games in. It was against the Colts, and that's when Juice texts Us about the third quarter and.

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Speaker 4: He's like, Fellas, I might get fired after this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like panicking because if he gets fired, I'm on the way out right.

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Speaker 4: I've been riding the.

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Speaker 2: Coattails Joe, so you know, if Juice is gone, I'm done for So I'm like, all right, are to dial it back here, let me go into pr person mode.

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Speaker 4: And uh and I gotta calm him down.

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Speaker 2: And he's fired up, and we're texting each other throughout the game of things we want to talk about. And he walks in and Travis a hey, a tough one, big dog, Juice, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: And hot garbage? He started with hot garbage. He finishing hot garbage. Everything in between was hot garbage.

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Speaker 2: And like I'm getting texts from his business manager and he's like, Seth, we got to calm him down, Like we gotta, so you know, listen. Then Travis turns to me after that tirade and I'm like, Fellas, I think, what you gotta do is you just gotta start focusing on Tampa.

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Speaker 4: And then, oh man, that could have been the way.

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Speaker 1: Wasting not ready to talk about freaking Tampa in a week. Oh man. Part of his just knowing everybody's personal. I know Travis takes his stuff hard to you know, a lot of people sometimes listen, Travis, he's drinking it, sleeping and eating it every day like you guys do.

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Speaker 4: And he's in the building, right, so he's and you're.

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Speaker 1: In the building. But I think, people, man, the connection you get, you know, when you start doing this stuff and you're working with the guys and you guys get to know them. You get to know certain guys and you like certain guys on the team a lot, and they don't play well and it just you know, it's just the whole thing and it just gets frustrating, and you know, everybody wants to blame everybody when it's not going well or we get off to these great starts like we have the last couple of years before this season. So yeah, but the angle from our side is very funny. And yes, I take it out and it bleeds right into Monday morning after a Sunday game. For sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad we could help you out.

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Speaker 3: There, right, you know, Joe, Let's get back to talking about you and Jimmy a little bit. You know, we had Jimmy here in the tank a little while ago. For the first time was about a few months ago. I think we had him and it was awesome, man. Something I We've known Jimmy forever like we've known you forever, but we didn't realize, you know, how little we really knew about him until we had him in the tank and when we started prepping for this interview. The story of Jimmy the jet, you know in Pittston, Pennsylvania and Russell, Buffalino. Those were absolutely incredible stories. And I know you visited Jimmy's hometown and at least once. I mean, I know I know of a couple of stories you told me.

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Speaker 1: I do I have one. I'm not very proud of that, yes, one of the other things I'm not proud of exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well leave it alone, man, I will leave it alone. But what was it like to go back to that small town with somebody that, I mean, still to this day is an absolute legend. So so since Jimmy brought up the Russell Buffalino, I'm like you guys, you know, as a fan of all the narco stories in Mexico and Columbia and the and the mob stuff. I'm in infatuated with all the stories.

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Speaker 1: I love it. And we got down here in nineteen eighties. It was pretty active down here at that time. And now I go to this small town, all Italian in Pittston, Pennsylvania, So I get to meet some of the characters, and now I'm zoned in on you know, I do my homework to find out Russell Buffalino man like father of fathers of the families, you know, and he's in this small town and and so Jimmy had educated me on some stuff, and and he's been kind of opened through the years, he's opened up more and more about the stories. But uh, just incredible to be there. And first of all, I've just never seen a town that had only all Italian people, and a lot of them. It was families on both sides living right next door. These house just completely different than northern California where I'm from, you know, and uh, and so, but I got it real quickly. I'm just how good Jimmy was as a player, and how well respected and the Joe paternal relationship connected to the Italian and just an amazing story and the love for wine, his dad's growing homemade wine downstairs, had his own move. The whole bottom part of the house was the basement, was was these homemade lines, and it was just the whole thing was just an incredible experience and and really got a feel. And then you know, it's this more stuff came out through the years. You know, books are out now about Russell Buffalino and and the doctor who took care of all the guys, doctor the doctor. And I went, wow, I know, Jimmy, I'm the guy you're telling you that's him.

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Speaker 4: That's him.

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Speaker 1: Somebody gets shot, that's the guy right there that you know. And it was like the whole thing was just uh, really incredible and gave me a great feel for Jimmy's background and and and that area and uh and everything else. And I think it's really important for him to go to Penn State. That was kind of that was the big school or nothing against Pitt and Danny Marino none, nothing against the Pitt Panthers and stuff, but Penn State. Oh yeah, there's definitely something against the Pitt Panthers. Yeah, I know that's true. That's true. That's very true.

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Speaker 4: But just for him to go to Pitt State that was.

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Speaker 1: That was big. I know he told the story about Penn State coming and the family went, that's where you're going to school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was no Chois there.

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Speaker 1: My Italian food were going. And his mother, Gerty, absolutely the finest cook I've ever been around. I nothing like the amount of food she sent to us and South Florida and homemade started in the morning, cooked all day, meat balls and all that stuff. It's just amazing, amazing.

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Speaker 4: Making me hungry. Yeah, I know, I know, it's just breakfast time. I'm ready to have big pasta dinner.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: That's good stuff. Well, speaking of hometown heroes, Joe.

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Speaker 2: We did a little digging about you and you had your own Superman moment as well, So we're gonna go all the way back to nineteen seventy nine. He looks at he's kind of got it. He's like, what's he gonna say, what's he gonna bring up? This is a whole own stuff. There's been dysfunctional I get No, this is a hero moment, So don't be scared. So nineteen seventy nine the big game Cal Stanford won the oldest college rivalries in the entire country. And on November seventeenth, nineteen seventy nine, you guys head to Stanford Stadium. So, I don't know if you know this. I just learned this today getting ready for this thing. You have the game of your life.

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Speaker 4: Man eight catches one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty yards, two touchdowns. But it was that second touchdown that Cal.

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Speaker 2: Fans will remember forever, and it almost didn't happen, right, So tell us what you remember about that play. I actually found the video. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna text it to both of you, guys. I found the video. I agree with you. You were right about the and they got it right, Joe. But tell us about that moment.

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Speaker 1: So is in the back of the end zone. Rich Campbell was a quarterback first round pick for the Green Bay Packers a year after my draft the eighty I guess I would have been the eighty one draft, and threw it in the back and they had lines different lines back then, had a double line. Really weird, really weird. The official called on the inside line. He called it out of bounds. And a guy next to me named Matt Bouza, who also played for the Colts, was a starting receiver for the Indianapolis Colts at the time, and he was next to me, a receiver of cal and he goes, hey, you were in man. He goes, they got the wrong line there. So they all got together after I don't know how long, it felt like a couple of minutes, and they changed the call and we get one more stop and we end up winning the game. Back when Turch Schoener was the starting quarterback for Stanford and John Elway was a freshman at Stanford and they were rotating time at quarterback. Yeah, crazy, crazy story. Yeah. Obviously that was well before replay, right, yeah, oh yeah, there were lines everywhere, man, But that was you know, as much time as we spend now talking about calls and reverse and go back and review and all the stuff and officials get together and huddle and we want to get everything right. Stuff happened, it it didn't wasn't like that back then, and the game seemed to work. All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's crazy. I just texted you guys a picture. I mean, Joe, it's not even close. There's like you think of the catches now, the tow drag and the whole thing. There's a foot and a half, but it is. They had that white block around the word Stanford and then an extra space, so it was second and eleven to point painting a picture of people. You guys are driving in the game is tied and I don't know, there was six seven minutes left in the game. It ends up being the deciding score. But Juicy catches. It is a hell of a graph. You would respect it. I know you have respect for guys in hands Juice, Joe, Joe showed some some athleticism.

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Speaker 4: There's a hell of a graph. You come down and they rule it incomplete, you think you scored.

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Speaker 2: You turn around and you know what he's saying, knowing Joe the way we.

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Speaker 4: Bullshit, you know, and so he's running back and felt like you're right.

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Speaker 1: That was the last one before the games man. So yeah, that was that was It was a crazy game.

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Speaker 4: You were fired up.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of and of course the coolest part was the calendar, the big schedule poster calendars at CAL the next year, you know, and now I'm a rookie with the Dolphins. Yeah, it was the catch in the back of the end zone, so you know, that was kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: But it was amazing, as Jew said that, you know, with no replay, it's amazing that.

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Speaker 4: They got it right.

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Speaker 2: And the announcers are talking, They're like, who, I wonder who had the authority to overrule that thing?

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Speaker 1: You know, the difference huh compared to you today? Yeah, amazing, really was.

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Speaker 4: So that was your hero moment at CAL.

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Speaker 2: I want to fast forward now as a Dolphin, we know that you and Danny are incredibly close.

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Speaker 4: You guys were roommates.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that and we scratched our heads as to why Coach Shula, given the way he felt about.

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Speaker 4: You, what have you with his prize possession and Dan Marino.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you caught the first NFL touchdown his first NFL touched on pass in eighty three, But I don't think we've ever really talked about the following season. So eighty four, Dan and your entire offense essentially reinvent offensive football. Danny throws for five thy eighty four yards forty eight touchdowns. Nobody had ever thrown forty and damn here gets to fifty. Clayton catches eighteen touchdown passes. You, guys, as an offense are by far the best offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 2: What was it like to be a part of that offensive juggernaut and then just to have a front row seat to what was one of the greatest season long individual performances in the history of the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. That was of everything. You know, it kind of started when we got in that huddle, and it wasn't The offense was pretty simple. It was takeoffs. It was just guys winning. If you went too deep, he just he killed you. And Ojl'll be the first to tell you if somebody thought too deep was the answer, I mean he destroyed too deep. Then he destroyed three deep because he'd throw it between even the guy in the middle of the and the guys on the outside, and guys were calling up extra corners and they had the quarters. You know, it used to be nickel and dime, and we used to laugh, they got the twenty five cent piece out there. They're trapping guys on special teams that that they think are better safeties, and they're the linebackers back then, and a lot of them couldn't cover real well. But it was just the whole thing from the huddle, the confidence in the huddle. And you start talking about Mark Clayton, Mark Duper nat Tony the amount and Dwight at center at that point, you know, the joke was the guy that snapped the ball to the other guy might have been the two best players in the game. You know. It was kind of like that because Dwight was so good as a sinner and and and then you know, as those numbers are going, I mean they're fine. There were there were huge plays every game. Somebody was going one of those guys's going fifty, sixty, seventy. I mean, it was just constant scoring, and you know, and a little bit like last year's team for the Dolphins, it happened quickly. There were a lot of two three four play drives that ended up seventy seventy five yard drives. And my favorite story about that time is thinking and knowing and see people at the time, they're going, hey, you know what you guys are doing. It's not normal. Not with the rules and regulations still kind of towards the defense. They could hit you early, they could jack you. And these guys were we just eighty six go and ninety and seventy Texas crossing routes and in and out routes, and somebody was going one on one. There was a mismatch always somewhere. If you doubled one guy, you paid the other way. Tried doubling two, you got beat by the other guys. But my favorite part of that is, because I've never seen it, was the huddle. Why this is going on? The freaking huddle was incredible, full of confidence and you know the rap that wide receivers get the ones and and at that time we had two number one receivers. We had Mark Clayton on one side and Mark Duper. Nobody ever said, you know, that guy's are one and that guy's are two. Not not with those two guys, because their skill set was off the chart after you know, their first year was just incredible. And so the stories that came out when those guys and one guy and and and Duke's open about this, so I know neither one of them's gonna get that. So so Clayon would start the game and he'd have three early catches, you know, and uh, we'd be in that huddle and and we're going up and down the field and and Duke would say something like this, if it's okay, go hey man, Hey, you know I'm white ass opening on the other side too, you know that right this during the huddle, you know, and then the clock's running and Danny's trying to get the play and and uh, Clay's going, don't why I got go to you? This guy hadn't stopped me yet in the first quarter, and so they're kind of they yell at each other, but there's a lot of negotiating going on and a lot of I'm wide open. And then these guys. It was common for these guys to turn to make their point in the huddle early when you're on the clock and just huddling up, and to see both those guys go look it, man, look, so now you got the whole offense. Look who's covering me on the outside? Now? Is that guy gonna cover me. So guys out there knowing that he's got the guy that's gonna be on that side. He's looking back and he's got to be wondering why everybody's pointing at him. I mean, it was very entertaining. And then you know, they go back and forth, and then you could feel the clocks getting close to ten seconds, you know, before we're getting to that delay of game thing, and we haven't we haven't even got out of the huddle yet. So Danny get frustrated. He didn't always know how to handle those two, you know, those two and go hey, man, hey, hey, hey, you know no, no, hell no, man, hey, everybody wants that ball. Now, hey, I'm wide open that dude can't play either and not just play and hey man, you know, got to go where it's good. And this stuff's going on and the clocks running, and you can see Danny stace. He getting off the only time he got frustrated. He's getting frustrated there, going back and forth and he's telling the story and and you know, you can't go wrong either way you go. Now, there there was no bad decision to be made on either one of these. And then he would go, he go, Dwight and Dwight who never talk of Hey, shut the fuck out. That was it, and shut everybody up, get out, getting the huddle, damn off and running. But it always ended. And I was I like, man, nobody will ever believe this huddle, cause you know, I'm sitting in there's a weak link of the whole group, and I'm going, look at this group, man, this is this is unbelieving. Now you start to understand how good everybody is. Mark and Mark two of the top outside receivers at that point in the game, and Dwight and Danny and NAT's in the slot, and I mean that thing was was loaded. And I was just thinking to myself, you know, to this day, like wow, nobody would ever believe the stuff that said and what happens in this huddle to go on and score the amount of points and the yards and the touchdowns and the confidence you know, and it all started with number thirteen. Man, nobody had more confidence and more more confidence than that guy on how good he was. He knew it. Yeah, no, definitely, no, James. The other teams knew too. Yeah they didn't know for sure.

00:25:41
Speaker 3: You look, you got guys going to the dollar packages and stuff, not just nickel diamond quarters.

00:25:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's hilarious. You're lining it up going, Hey, man, we haven't seen that guy play.

00:25:51
Speaker 4: Go.

00:25:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a special teams guy, but they think he's better than that line back for the.

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Speaker 3: Covered Tony Nathan out of the back, it was a man. Yeah, what's so crazy about that? Joe was every indication says run run run. When you see those guys out there, you guys said the hell with that?

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Speaker 1: Huh hey, now you know better than anybody. Wait a second, Hey, thirteen always trusted the arm over anything. And the funny part is, I'd have to look it up. It seemed like Tony Nathan ran for over five yards of carry every time he carried the ball. And you know, but but the numbers that one year, you know, and you start wondering he did it a year or two big numbers before they started to level off a lot more. Man, this stuff's happening early in his career. Yeah, and it was. It was pretty crazy. And you know, he sat his rookie year. I know, you guys know all this stuff. He's sad first few games and before he got there. My first his first year I had David Woodley was my was my roommate coming in and he was a quarterback in between Bob Green, seeing Don Strock and and and Danny. He was the guy. And and David was pretty good there. He came his rookie year, played about half a season and and uh was was really good. But once our offense was so bad. You know, everybody talk, We talk now, we do shows all time when should you put that rookie quarterback in? And then they'll bring up even Dan Marino had to sit a few games before they put him in. We're getting our butts kick and and we couldn't score points. Uh we we started the year we can't score And we just gone to the super Bowl and had to lead at halftime of the super Bowl and and they're going, man, we can't score. And I always say this, like when did Don Shula new when the rest of the team was getting pissed off going, you know, like Don Shula maye, Don Sheula might have he saw faces of the Bob Kuchenbergs and everybody and the defense, the killer bees going, we see this guy in practice every day, old curly hair there from Pitt When's he gonna play, and so they made that switch, and the numbers started to spike right away, you know, and take off. But we didn't score. We couldn't score. And Danny had come in in a couple of games and played in the second out. I mean, we got our butts kicked in a couple of the games, and so he came in the second half and turned it into a two minute drill. That was the worst thing if you're not going to make a change because he's doing for two hundred yards in the second half and throwing it all and everybody's well, it's it's a two minute drill. Everybody's playing soft, which partially is true. You know, you play a little loser because you're way up in the game and you're not gonna give up the big play. But finally, I think Shoes, I think the whole team would have run Coach Shula tried to run him out of the backyard there if he didn't make that change. He was that good.

00:28:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Joe, I wanted to talk about a little bit more about you know, Dup and Clayton, a little bit more Cefanov. We have this conversation a lot always and It's kind of crazy to me, but I think that those guys don't get the credit the absolutely deserve.

00:29:02
Speaker 1: And I know Big Sets says this all the time.

00:29:03
Speaker 3: It's probably because you're canting penalize because Danny was the quarterback and he was so great, you know. So my question to you was like, how is Clayton not in the Hall of Fame? And can you you know, I mean, can you really you said it something right there, but can you tell our listeners how talented these guys really really were. I know Danny was the man, but man, they had to make it easy on him at the time. And we hear the argument all the time about who made who became the receivers and the quarterback and the quarterback and the receivers.

00:29:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, so as a guy to watch it up close, it's got a huge mouth here in South Florida. There is no question about it, that Danny being there and making being so accurate and and by the way, Danny's great about making sure he tells everybody a Mark and Market flat out play Mark and Mark Duke one of the great deep threats in the history of the game. And Clayton won the most athletic All around Mark, Clayton was phenomenal jumping over people. I mean, you go eighteen touchdowns in a season, and I mean he was an incredible, incredible player, the things he could do. So to answer part of that, I think Danny not on purpose, but was so good that it takes away from what those guys did. I think the numbers now that these guys OJ and Seth are putting up, we got guys catching one hundred, nineteen hund and twenty passes in a year and doing it. And next thing you know, you know, we got guys with nine ten thousand yards, you know. And back then they didn't keep track of targets and Mark and Mark would be the first thing to come out of their mouth you ever talk to them. We didn't have anything called targets. But we can tell you we got three, four or five toes a game. Now, I don't know if it was that low, but to those guys, they remember like yesterday, like hey man, we had games where we didn't get a lot of throws our way, you know, and and and so it's a really interesting one. I think Clayton gets hurt by the numbers today. I do think he's going to get in, though I still believe he's going to get in even though he's no longer the ten year mark of eligibility. I think there's a lot of veterans out there, and the way they talk about Mark Clayton that he's still going to get in at some point. I would be very surprised with those guys. And I always hate it pops up sometimes because Waddell and Tyreek are so good. Oh Ja, I don't know if you feel this way when you get asked about it. I don't ever want to take about what those two guys have done the last two years. The numbers they put up are ridiculous, but I still say, man, it's not a shot at anybody. Mark and Mark aren't taking a back seat to anything. And I get it, one guy, completely different guy throwing him the ball and two has been great, but the other guys that at a different level. But yeah, there's so many different parts. We probably need forty to fifty minutes to just discuss that. But I just think those guys were so good, got along so well. They were competitive. Now, don't get me wrong, they were competitive and they wanted the ball and they got paid like everybody else. Like they understood. Am I don't if I'm not getting twelve hundred yards and if I'm not catching you know, double digit and touchdowns, and if I'm not a first team All Pro or a pro bowler, I lose money. Because mister Robbie was huge on incentives. Huge. He was low base high incentives, and so the Robbie family was real big on that. And you can make a lot of money. But man, you tried taking one of those guys out late in the season and a field advantage. I saw that show and it I'm trying to think how I can do this and not get in trouble. I don't want to break any man codes here. So we're playing the last game of the year. You guys all right with this? Yeah? Absolutely good.

00:33:08
Speaker 4: If there's an issue, we'll deal with it.

00:33:09
Speaker 1: I'm back in. So we so we're down at we're way up at halftime. We're playing the Buffalo Bills, and they were real bad, and we'd already we're way out in front at the half. And basically it might have been I'd have to look twenty it felt twenty eight to three or something. It was. It was pretty lopsided, and so coach Shula says, hey, we're going to rest a couple of you guys and get ready for the playoffs. Those guys go, Now they know their numbers. Now they know how short they are, how close they are to get more incentive money, because incentive money ends at the end of the regular season. Right. So now I'm watching this show and I go this angle beat. So we come to our second half and he tells a couple of the guys, Hey, guys, are done. You're not playing this can have.

00:34:02
Speaker 4: She what?

00:34:05
Speaker 1: So? Uh? Clayton went over stood right next to coach you. He goes, hey, man, here's the deal. And you know I got their money to be made out there. Coach, we gotta get ready for No, I ain't no team right now. No, no, there's no team. You got this game wrapped up. I need whatever. It was two more catches, twenty more yards. It was close to some incentives for pretty big incentive money back then, not like today, but back then, and so we had that that always came into play, and since then, I've always when I hear a team go, we're gonna go low base, but we're gonna go high incentives with you, And I always think, man, not late in the season. If you got to wrest somebody, nobody wants to come out. If we're talking about m O n E.

00:34:54
Speaker 2: Y man, that's it for sure, that's it. Oh God, that's so good too, funny ye, so, Joe. One of the things I've always just found really interesting is the way that you personally handle being a media member who was also a former player. We've seen hundreds, hundreds, if not thousands of guys make that transition across sport, not just guys, men and women, and it's probably probably the number one career opportunity right for former players, former professional players, is to go into some form of broadcasting when their career is done. But everybody handles it differently. And if I had to analyze your career, I would say that when you're calling the games over the last twenty years, you are a former player.

00:35:39
Speaker 4: But then when you do that radio show, when you do that radio show.

00:35:42
Speaker 2: Monday through Friday, I think you kind of lean more like you're a media member that's doing radio for the most part.

00:35:48
Speaker 1: Right.

00:35:48
Speaker 2: So I bring this up because it's one of my all time favorite stories in all the years I've known you, And I'm going to go back to two thousand and one, the Beat guys approached Harvey about presenting to the rookie class. They have this idea that you know, when rookies come in, if they haven't been introduced to the media. You know, in college, it's handled differently, guys, are you know it's they have very little exposure to the media, and I don't know that.

00:36:13
Speaker 4: And now things have changed.

00:36:14
Speaker 2: But back then those open locker rooms, media members could walk around, they can go approach anybody they wanted to. And so the Beat guys felt, you know, let's not let any preconceived notions speak for us. Let's not let veteran players say I don't like this guy or that guy. Let's at least have an opportunity to present to the to the players first, let's present to the rookie class and then they can form their own judgments. Harvey bought into it. But to Harvey's credit, he really always tried to keep things fair and equal. And he said, well, let's not just bring the print guys. We got to bring the electronic media too. Let's bring in some radio guys, some TV guys, and you get invited to this meeting. So two thousand and one Juice. We're talking Jamar Fletcher, Chris Chambers, Travis Minor, Moreland Greenwood, believe it or not, Josh Heipel now the coach of Tennessee.

00:36:59
Speaker 4: He's see University of Tennessee. He was in that class.

00:37:03
Speaker 2: And they gather us all up in that back corner, which is where the free agent guys used to hang out, right and where the equipment cage is. That back door to the locker room. We all get gathered up there. I don't remember who else was. I don't know if it was Bo, I don't remember what other TV guys were there Joe, but I know it was Armando, I know it was Alex Marvez. I know it was Todd Archer from the POO. So Harvey tells them what we're trying to do. Guys were watching it, get to know. These are the guys again.

00:37:28
Speaker 4: To meet, and the prank guys speak first Juice, and they talk.

00:37:32
Speaker 2: About how they're going to cover and how they want to be fair and how they are going to be accurate. But they're not here just to criticize guys for the sake of criticizing them and.

00:37:40
Speaker 4: All of this stuff.

00:37:42
Speaker 2: And Joe's looking antsy throughout this whole thing, and then I don't know how else to explain it other than the fact that all hell breaks loose. What do you remember from your presentation? I'm using the Travis Wingfield air quotes your presentation to the rookie class.

00:37:58
Speaker 1: So my take to start with remember it. I do remember it, And I know a lot of those guys were pissed at me for a long time. So that's how other things can end, which usually happens this way. So I was listening. I got good job by them building up relationships to get interviews when they need them. Some of these guys ended up being really good football players in this draft class, and I just thought, maybe they're going a little too far on this positive angle, and so I just said, listen, man, these guys are full of shit. Man, these guys, let me give you another angle, sta out of trouble, because if something happens, you guys are gonna be the lead story for something you did wrong. And the negative thing works for these guys too. I regret doing the whole thing. If I had to do it over, I did have a tennis game. I knew I wasn't gonna talk long game. It was taken a little longer than I thought, but I did throw those guys under the bus, and Marvez was super pissed. Armando Celgarrel, they were pissed off because I just went I think the guys all liked it. The guys are laughing, and some of them had come up later. Meanwhile, I'm thinking the same thing. This could be good for business for me. Some of these the show too. I don't write an article. Hell, I can't write an article, but I can tell you unless they like a run on sentence, but I can tell you this, they're gonna go. I want to go with that crazy goofy nut job that's putting headbands on, wristbands.

00:39:39
Speaker 2: On before it gets for Tennis Jus because he's never told he had that little bucket there right with all the stuff.

00:39:44
Speaker 1: He's just and then Ojay I finished, and I go, that's it, and I walked out, and I got to tell you, Harvey. Harvey's been really mad at me twice. He was mad at me about stickers I put on the back and Saban said, you look like you're an idiot. What are you doing with everybody's name tag on the back of your blazer. You look like stupid Joe Rose. So he was mad about that too, But yeah, he took me aside. I don't know if he saw me that day or he's trying to get a hold of it because I sprain either I had in this game and yeah, but the next day, oh, Jay, you're round it. You'll never be invited back. You'll never That was embarrassing. You know, why would you do that? You know, I get I want to have you invited, but you just you beat your own drum. You're you're not a team guy. And I mean, he let me have it. So that still talks about, well.

00:40:42
Speaker 4: You heard it from those guys.

00:40:43
Speaker 2: The Beat guys were shell shocked and Marvenz was like, this was an ambush.

00:40:48
Speaker 4: Joe knew what he was going to do the whole time. He didn't have and how I do yet.

00:40:53
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a lot of that stuff because the other part. I've been doing the radio show in the morning for for a long time. Listen, it's hard, and then you start doing the games and you do and I know OJ and I have laughed and OJ sometimes you hear me go, you didn't tell them the whole thing. OJ you're right. You busted me, and you're one hundred percent right because I am on the team plane. I have been jumped through the years by guys. It's hard to wear all those hats. I've done the coaching shows and I do and my number one job at all these jobs, that morning show. It pays it. It's what I do. It's you know, your fan base. You guys know this. The fans they're smart now, man. Yeah, they've always been smart, but they know everything and now they get more inside information than ever on stuff. Now. They're really they can break down stats on you. Not only were we bad, we were two for thirteen on third down and third and ten plus we didn't get it, you know, and and the penalties and so sore. They're smart. And so if you try to go on and you go, hey, come on, you guys't that bad. You're reading into this way too. We've lost three straight and come on, I mean, they read right through it, you know. So when you do it, so you do where it's the hardest thing. Every day, it's the hardest thing. How far to go. Certain guys don't talk to me, and it's okay, it's okay as long as you're being you think you're being fair in your comments. Like if somebody came up to me and you know, I feel like I could say, well, listen, man, kind of watch this thing up close. It's my job with the different jobs and and do it. But it's very difficult because you never know, and most guys don't hear it. I don't know if you guys feel this way. Sometimes most of the time they don't hear it, but they get it from somebody. You get it from a family member or a friend. You know, they're just like us. They can exaggerate the story a little bit, add some extra stuff, like this dude was ripping you, and like, I didn't rip you. I just said you dropped the ball in a crucial situation. But you've had a really good year. And friend doesn't hear that, and they hear that, and you know, but I also know nobod's gonna change their mind to think, oh, you're just backtracking right now. So the whole makeup of the jobs is not easy. It's very difficult to do. And hey, listen to podcasters. I mean, we're a different world now, man, podcaster. Everybody's everybody's a columnist now. Nobody's no longer just a reporter. Calumnus are given you know, when they first started, they're just giving you what they saw. Now they're giving you their opinion. You get seven or eight strong opinions good or bad every day, and nobody's nobody's safe. And then the podcasters, Look, we have a record amount of podcasters with oj you and I met and Seth. We met a lot of them, and and they obviously care. A lot of them, have a lot of juice. A lot of them are making money, making money, doing it good money. That means it tells you they're doing something right because other fans want to hear and believe in what they're saying. So it's a it's a different world out there right now. Not to mention hit and run social media, I mean the social media, you know, the Twitter, and that's a whole different animal.

00:44:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Joe and you mentioned it, man, I mean, you do wear a bunch of caps. And let's talk a little bit about the podcasting part of it.

00:44:42
Speaker 1: Man. They're popping up everywhere.

00:44:44
Speaker 3: As you know, you started with Seth and I on them on the poker table back in the day, you know, and you're like, man, these podcasts, they're popping up everywhere, you know, and sure enough you and Bo Man, now you're doing you know, your own podcast, Out the Pasture, tell us about Out the Passion and what have you learned about the world of podcasting from that side of it?

00:45:02
Speaker 1: Now? Well, it's uh, it's really interesting because Bo's the one that's really got behind it and really wanted to do it, but he just didn't want to have older guys on every week. He wanted to talk about health, and so I felt like we were doing something different and and Cess been a big part of it too, of trying to do something a little different, because listen, we're not the only guys out there just talking to older players. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of podcasts doing that. There's podcasts you know.

00:45:29
Speaker 4: Like the two guys you're talking to right now.

00:45:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, listen, we're everywhere. And so the fact that start doing hell stuff, and I just thought that really hit home because you know, I've dealt with my own stuff with with different things and the highs and lows of our sport. To start with my guy football, I mean, you can get on a roll and feel really good about things, and you get injured and then you know, you get different coach and he grab somebody in your position. I mean, all the stuff that happens, you know, it's wild. So so the podcast has been really good. I've noticed the people that come on like talking about it, what they're doing. Guys in her fifties and sixties and seventies talking about things they've done to improve their life. A lot of people. The whole thing's been great, whether it's Larry Zonkas still talking about being in pain and but making it making it important to still do stuff even when he doesn't feel great, to stay active and uh and get as much time in life as you can't really quality time in life that you can, mental and physical and all that stuff. So it's been really good. I've enjoyed it. It's really great because Seth and Bo do all the work and I just show up. Sounds like that sounds like the way that's why I roll with Seth too. It seems like.

00:46:53
Speaker 2: Just I get the call, Joe's like, hey, Seth, Hey do we have an interview today? Yeah, eleven o'clock, and he's like he's literally got just got all the show.

00:47:00
Speaker 4: It's it's ten fifteen Okay, I'll head over to the ball, I'll head over the boat campers.

00:47:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, keep the Who do we got? Who do we Yeah? Who do we have? Yeah? There's a good good Who do we have? Oh? Good? Good? Good. I like him. I like him. He's great, he'll be great.

00:47:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, he premps on the way over I have.

00:47:16
Speaker 1: We did one with Johnny Bench and I asked about Pete Rose, and he snapped a little.

00:47:20
Speaker 4: Bit, yeah he uh, I don't think, hey man, you always find a way. Well.

00:47:27
Speaker 2: I also think he felt that you were going down the road that you weren't going down. You were just I mean, you know, it's kind of like, how do you we talked about You can't talk about Mark Duper without talking about Mark Clayton. Now it turns out those two guys have a great relationship. But I think he felt you were trying to ask him why Pete was in the Hall of Fame, which wasn't where you were going.

00:47:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, no, but listen, they they had their differences, and you know, we just recently lost Pete Rose. Yeah, but you know, there's great teams, and you know, I love talking about the old baseball teams that I grew up with anyway and stuff.

00:47:59
Speaker 4: You were like little kids. Man. That was kind of fun to.

00:48:02
Speaker 1: See, you know all that stuff. I just love sports guys. I mean I football is number one, I know, number one to keep things going and keep us at at QAM in business. But I love them all, man, I you know, I grew up OJ played them all growing up, Seth, You've been around them all. And except baseball. He doesn't. He doesn't do baseball. Baseball.

00:48:27
Speaker 2: I know I have. I have some trauma as it relates to baseball. So no, I'm not a baseball guy.

00:48:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so I my my my cousin was a first round pick for the Pirates, and my uncle played professionally. My mom's on my mom's side, and so I was lucky enough going to minor league games in the West Coast, Triple A baseball games. Watch my uncle. My cousin's a year older than I am. And so yeah, baseball is just that was the first four Like when I was growing up, football was not baseball, was it. And I'm going back to the six season seven.

00:49:06
Speaker 2: Clearly the right sport one out. That's the way I look at it. I'm not gonna let this turn into a Baseball show, and I love basketball.

00:49:14
Speaker 1: If you were asked me, my favorite to practice basketball is the best. Man.

00:49:18
Speaker 2: No such thing as trying to stay away from basketball and tennis, because you would kick my ass and both back when we were both younger and used to play those things.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, I still miss I would have loved to a scene. I've talked to so many guys been part of OJ's basketball games and no man dragout OJ. I don't know if you've ever done anything with all their characters and and and we know some of them, you know, guys that you wuldn't even think were great basketball players, that were great, And then you get the Jason Taylor's over there, who who are knocking guys down and trying to draw fouls, and you know, and and how none of you guys back down. You guys are all super competitive to start with. I can't even imagine some of those games that you had.

00:49:59
Speaker 3: It was football, all basketball, Joe exactly what it was, man, it was you know which one you chose, you know, usually his basketball up to almost game point, and then he became a lot of football. You know, it was what was the best basketball player, best basketball player you ever had played at your house. Well, we got a couple, but we gotta start with Scottie Pippen for sure.

00:50:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't count.

00:50:21
Speaker 1: And then and then number two Mark Dixon. Mark Dixon man love playing. He's like a power forward. Wasn't he all of it?

00:50:29
Speaker 3: He'll knocking threes down, He'll powerful, he does it all and handles about it.

00:50:34
Speaker 1: Incredible basketball player. I love him. I love that guy.

00:50:38
Speaker 4: He told guys.

00:50:39
Speaker 2: And remember Mark spent his whole football career saying how he didn't belong. He's scared, he's gonna get cut every day he was you know, he wasn't good enough. But then in the locker room they started talking about basketball and he's like, hey, Juice, you better tell them boys. Get to get a hand in my face. As soon as I pull up in the parking lot. He was on the show, and you know, had been retired for a decade, and he said, I tell my players that I coached, Because he was coaching high school basketball at the time. He goes, they still hold a spot for me at Juics' court just in case I show.

00:51:12
Speaker 4: Up, because I still got a spot on the five.

00:51:16
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything outside of you know, usually life outside of practices and the dolphin and the team and the fifty three guys or forty eight guys, whatever the number was. But Oj, your games became legendary. Hey, dude, got pretty ugly between such and such and such and such man threw a ball at him. We had to break it up to damn. Got a new guy came in. He can flat out play, and the whole thing that took place. I think it was great man, great chemistry. Maybe today's game wouldn't like you know the amount of money or but he's making it of those kinds of basketball games. A wow.

00:51:54
Speaker 3: Well, you know we played games back in the day, Joe. Guess you know the fire department, the schools, you know, the teacher. They will never do that again, man, because of the money. But I know, I bet you don't know this, Joe. You know that Jason Taylor was like a backup long snapper, but you know he was a hell of a punter as well, because he used to punt the basketball in the Kajana's yard like all the time.

00:52:13
Speaker 1: Man, it was crazy. Hey, why am I not surprised? Mister different level, mister competitive man. Good god, that guy.

00:52:24
Speaker 4: There were two guys.

00:52:25
Speaker 2: If j T didn't get his call, ultimately that ball was going over to the next yard.

00:52:30
Speaker 4: If Juice didn't get his call.

00:52:32
Speaker 2: The lights were getting turned off at the court and the six rotwallers.

00:52:35
Speaker 1: Were getting my dogs on him. Joe and we all had to close the gate.

00:52:39
Speaker 3: Joe, you gotta find the way out with the gate closed to you gotta jump the wall.

00:52:42
Speaker 4: That's it, that's it's it.

00:52:44
Speaker 1: Oh, Jay said, he's pissed. That's it for the night. We're done.

00:52:47
Speaker 3: Hey, but you know, Joe, they know when I start running into the house like that, it's time to find you shit, you know what I mean, and getting your car because here comes the pain.

00:52:56
Speaker 1: You know.

00:52:57
Speaker 2: Anybody who had been so like if you hadn't been there before, you would see guy would like hang out like what's going on? Like when are we gonna start playing again? And all of us who had been there for a while, we were heading to the gate.

00:53:06
Speaker 1: I will tell you, guys, the most enjoyable thing was off season we played. They might have booked fifty plus games. I don't want to get carried away, but three or four at a time. If we went on a trip, we played three or four in three or four days, and we played all over the state. We played all over fire departments, teachers, police, different groups that got together. If they pay our seventy five dollars per person, they were in and that's what we and so we played everywhere. That's cool and I thought they are great team bonding it was and really had fun. It was fun, well, it.

00:53:45
Speaker 2: Was fun before Jus turns the lights out of us here. You know, since we're all trying to enjoy this bye week, we're going to get you out of here, Joe. But as you now know, we end every podcast episode the same way. We have our fish tank two minute drill. Know how much you got to play in two minute drill in the eighty four season, but uh.

00:54:03
Speaker 1: You know, oh no, I was a two minute guy. Okay, it's been a two minute guy my whole life. But no working bo football, No that's me. Okay, guy.

00:54:19
Speaker 2: Two minutes on the clock. We got some fast paced fun questions for you. See, if you can get us in the end zone, are you ready for the two minute drill?

00:54:25
Speaker 1: I think so? All right, here we go, Joe.

00:54:28
Speaker 3: As discussed earlier, you famously caught Damn Marino's first NFL touchdown pass?

00:54:32
Speaker 1: But do you know who called his last one?

00:54:36
Speaker 2: Uh?

00:54:36
Speaker 3: Yes, Rondie Gadsden Wow playoff loss to Jacksonville. Do you know called his last regular season touchdown pass?

00:54:45
Speaker 1: No? I didn't even ntill Sef just told me somewhere Ronde. That's the only reason I knew. Ronde got paid. He and I got paid doing something that the last Tony Martin got his last regular seat. Yes, very good, very good.

00:55:01
Speaker 4: Joe, good good stuff.

00:55:02
Speaker 1: All right.

00:55:03
Speaker 2: Well, as you just said, you caught the first touchdown pass, but you also revealed to us, after years of saying that you still had that football, you revealed to us back in twenty eighteen you.

00:55:12
Speaker 4: Never had that football in your personal collection.

00:55:15
Speaker 1: Mike, I have never had that I have never had that football. And for everybody I've lied to through the years, I apologize. But if you had a lot of people, and by the way, that ball was twice. I was offered fifty thousand dollars twice. Yeah, and Danny was breaking all those records, and two collectors, within months of each other, both offered me fifty thousand dollars and I didn't have.

00:55:42
Speaker 4: And you had to come clean because you didn't have to have the football and you didn't want to have to pay that money.

00:55:46
Speaker 1: The press is, would you have taken it? Joe? Were you taking that fifty K? I was in the middle of maybe a downslide of a divorce, so I would have yes. I would have had to site yes.

00:55:58
Speaker 2: I think it would have taken it twice June if it have been authenticated, I cannot lie.

00:56:03
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, Jay's looking at me. I just like, Okay, you know what.

00:56:07
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you who you think does have that ball? But we can keep it moving because we're.

00:56:12
Speaker 1: I think I know, but I don't want to say.

00:56:14
Speaker 4: All right, sounds good.

00:56:15
Speaker 3: Next question, Okay, Joe, all right, I'm gonna take myself out of this conversation right becausecept was always he gives me a hard time about this all It's always like, seemed like the setup man. But I want to know your favorite Miami Dolphins player of all time who did not play with you. Joe Rose's favorite Dolphin of all time is favorite all time.

00:56:34
Speaker 1: That I did not play with.

00:56:35
Speaker 4: It was not a teammate.

00:56:37
Speaker 1: I'm a huge Larry's Anka fan. Yep, there you go.

00:56:41
Speaker 2: That's an easy one, all right, final question here in the two minute drill, were you just told us who your favorite all time Dolphin was. As we said earlier, you and Jimmy are the longest tenured radio tandem in Dolphins history. If you had to pick the greatest Miami Dolphins game day radio voice of all time, who would it be?

00:57:00
Speaker 1: Mad Dog? I knew it was gonna be.

00:57:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, there it is, all right, Miami.

00:57:04
Speaker 1: I love doing it, Matt. People go, you know, Jim Mandage, I go, no shit, that man was at a different level.

00:57:11
Speaker 4: And there's the two minutes. Yes, great stuff.

00:57:15
Speaker 2: I think fans who listen to this are all going to agree with you. Everybody misses mad Dog. We just did that that fish tank iconic on the ninety four game. You know, we did the documentary on the ninety four game, and every you know, we really were pleased and proud of the feedback that we got. But so many people listened to those calls and they're like, yead, we miss miss mad Dog.

00:57:35
Speaker 4: I mean, he is so good and by the way.

00:57:37
Speaker 1: He took his share of heat. I mean, he and I spent a lot of time talking about doing radio shows and being part of a broadcast, and mad Dog had a great take on the whole thing and was fantastic and he really helped me a lot, but level by himself really was. It was great, kind of like you guys. Great being with you guys.

00:57:59
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if we're in that category, but it is kind of you to say, Man, it's been a lot of fun. Thank you for doing this for us now, this is this is your third appearance, a third anytime.

00:58:10
Speaker 1: If I don't know how much that stuff you can use today, hopefully most of it. But guys, thank you. Hey Joe, thanks for diving in again. Love it, love being with you guys. We'll have to do it again before I turned seventy a couple of years. Man, thank you you're now diving just.

00:58:28
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