Jay Feely: I Was a Different Kicker

00:00:00 Speaker 1: You're now diving sitting down with Seth living Oh, Jay, and this is strictly for the fans number one of course, y'all. This ain't the other never sports talk that might have been that Fish Tank. Welcome back to the Fish Tank presented by iHeartRadio right here on the Miami Dolphins Podcast Network, Seth Lovitt and the man with the best hands in the podcast audio, b J McDuffie. Juice. How you feeling, man, I'm feeling great, big set. You love when the hands are good. I do I do when the hands are right, and you mentioned them, man, that means the world. What about the best feet in the podcast business? How about that? How about that? For sure? Feet going on, hands and feet going on. I think we might be able to play some ball. Jay Feeley, Welcome to the Fish Tank, man, Thanks for making the time my pleasure. Good to be hones with you guys, no doubt so, Jay, I didn't realize that. You know you're actually a Florida kid. I mean you're born your death of Florida. Yeah, yeah, outside Tampa Jesuit. Correct, went to Tampa Jesuit. Yeah. We had great sports teams, whether it's baseball, football, basketball, soccer like I played as well, just great athletics. I loved going to school there. It was awesome. Well, were you guys doing recruiting like my high school was? You're bringing guys like yourself in all the time. Hey, people follow success, right, they want to win the play for you. Successnts right right, right right, And multiple stops in your career always seem to lead you back to the roads, always lead to lead you back to Florida. Man. But after high school, though, you went to like the climate that's completely different than a Florida climate. You go up to ann Arbor. You're a Michigan. What made you a Wolverine? What made you go all the way up there? So it's different when you're a kicker getting recruited because teams only recruited kicker every third year. So when I was coming out my senior year, Florida, Florida State weren't recruiting a kicker. They both had guys. Miami was and they offered me, but they were going on a probation that year, so I didn't want to go there and they were gonna be on probation for four years, no bowl games, and so once I was leaving the state of Florida, you know. To me, then it was I opened up the whole country. Then I didn't care, and it kind of came down to Michigan and Notre Dame for me. My trips were weird though. I took Michigan, Notre Dame, Wyoming, and Delaware because because Wyoming and Delaware were gonna let me play receiver as well. But I was a self aware enough as an eighteen year old to know that that a not fast white guy wasn't gonna make it a receiver. I had good hands, though, I had good hands juice Right, well, there we go, it's the hands lot. I was just going to say, we just had Trent gamble on recently, who there's only been two Wyoming players in the history of this franchise to play here for the Dolphins, and one was but he was a fast white guy. He was. Yeah. It was the funnest trip I went on, though. Wyoming was because they gave me a snowmobile for the whole weekend and just basically were like, have a blast, and so I didn't see any of the campus like I didn't see the class. I love it. I came home. I'm like, I'm not going to school there, but I had an awesome Time's awesome. So, so, j while you were at Michigan, you had a couple of teammates that are very familiar with the Miami Dolphins. Talk about these two quarterbacks that we all know a little bit about. Well, I assume you know that you're referring to Chad Henny and maybe Tom Brady as well, three of them. Well, I mean we had a lot of I mean we had I had a bunch of guys that were there. You know, I played with I think I played with five NFL quarterbacks at Michigan because Todd Collins was there early with me. Jay Ramiersma, who became a tight end in the NFL and played for a long time, was a quarterback there with us as well, you know, And so for a while there there was this lineage of Michigan quarterbacks you know, that went to the NFL that had successful careers and that was why quarterbacks wanted to come play there. And I think, uh, I think we're getting back to that now at Michigan. But you know, just to watch these guys, to watch Greasy Greasey was my host on my recruiting trip. When I went up there, he left me about halfway through the night though, and took off his girlfriends. So that's normal recruiting trips, though, isn't that normal? Thver me? You know, they get the recruiting and then at some point they got to leave them, right, I guess. So you gotta fed for yourself. They got to make sure that you can make it there. That's great. That is great. So obviously very successful career at Michigan. But the draft rolls around you're not selected. But that's not uncommon for your position, you know, And so that's not We have some guys here and I always like to give my partner here a hard time because I said, not everybody could be the first round Pickrey can have that first round carpet rolled out all the time, James somehow offsprip. There are more seventh round pick and undrafted free agents that have ten year plus careers in the NFL than first round. How about that? There we go, So, so maybe you are the guy who's marginalized. I didn't get ten years. Maybe that makes it you're the marginalized first round pick. My whole shick is just blown up. Thanks a lot Jack, so so again not uncommon, but you don't go with the NFL route right away. As Drew said, all roads eventually take it back to Florida and you're across the Sawgrass Friggin' mall at the National Car Rental Center or whatever. Right, the Florida Bobcats talk about how you start your career with the Florida Bobcats and the decision to go Arena Ball, Well, there was no decision. I mean it was made for me. You know. I didn't get brought into camp, and I didn't get as you said, I didn't go to the combine, and I was trying. I was doing workouts and trying to get into camp. Believed that was good enough, you know, and it just didn't happen right away. So I got a job as a financial advisor. I was working for a couple of years, did my series six and seven, and that was still kicking, you know when I could with the relay, played for the Bobcats, like you said, played for the Tampay Storm for I think a game not long, and then finally got my break, like finally was brought into camp in Atlanta and given the opportunity to compete for a job and ended up winning that job. And it's crazy to kind of go from sitting on your couch at home. I heard Justin Pugh say that last week was hilarious when they introduced him for Monday Night Football because he lives out in Arizona, where I do. And he said, straight off the cat. Yeah, and that's kind of and that's kind of what I did, you know. I mean, I was at home for two years and then finally got that opportunity and all of a sudden, you're kicking in the NFL. So so you're saying you were kicking in the Arena League, but you had a job. You had a day job, and you just would go suit up and did you have to go to practice? I guess because of the unique nature of playing kicker, did you have to go to practice? I would go to practice. But you know, that job was a good job where it wasn't you know, nine to five every day in an office you were as a financial advisor. You're meeting with clients, You're traveling around the country, you know, trying to get clients, and so it was kind of one of those jobs it still is where you can kind of do it anywhere, and so yeah, yeah, it was just one of those kind of weird times in life where you're trying to figure out what your path is going to be and where it's going to take you and following your dream even when you know those doors continue to be shut for a while. And did your coworkers know that, like by day or this? And then you put on your Superman cap and you go out and you're you're kicking field goals and I guess doing all kinds of Arena League. It's a whole different deal. Arena League was weird coming from Michigan and then going to Like I'm sitting there one day and there's triscole races in between the plays, you know, in a game, and I'm like, what am I doing with my life rights? Oh? That's too funny? That is That is great. You alluded to it a little bit earlier, you know, you talked about you know, you finally got your shot in two thousand and one with Atlanta, you make the All Rookie team. A few years later after that, you with the Giants and you're a Pro Bowl performer. But then these roads you find your way back to Florida again. Cam Cameron convinces you to come down to Florida and be a kicker for the Miami Dolphins. But what went into your thinking when you were signing here, And secondly, where did things go wrong once you once we got here? Well, for me, the Miami Dolphins were my favorite team growing up. Dan Marino was my favorite player. Dan Marine was the only guy that I met in sports that I was kind of awestruck when I met him. You know. I remember playing in a golf tournament. We're sitting in the car going over there together, and I was it was the first time I met him, and I was just like, I'm sitting here with Dan fricking Marine, Like this is awesome. You know. So for me to be able to come and play for the Dolphins was just a dream come true. You know. In that season, obviously, it was a tough season. We only won one game. You know, Cam Cameron gets fired after that year. They bring in Bill Parcells and a new regime, and they quickly got rid of a lot of the older guys, and you know, and I was one of those guys, you know, And it was tough for me because I had the best year of my career led the league and field goal percentage. Uh, you know, and then they and then they cut me. And I kind of knew from from early on that, uh, that that was probably what they were going to do. My first meeting with Tony Sprown, it didn't go very well and and uh, and I kind of knew that they were going to move on. But it was hard for me because I signed a three year deal and I had a great year and kicked well and was one of the captains, and you know, wanted to continue to do that, and it just didn't happen. And I remember sitting at home that first week the Jets were playing against the Dolphins, and I wasn't on a team, and I just was shocked, you know, because here you have your best year of your career and all of a sudden, you're cutting You're you're not playing that Week one. It was the first time I hadn't played. It was the only game I missed in my career. And then the Jets kicker Mike NuGen got hurt u in the first quarter of that game, and they called me at halftime, and I was on a flight. I'm sitting there, I'm sitting there in plantation. Literally I told I told their GM Mike Tanama, I'm like, I can be there by end of half time, absolutely second half for you. I will go out against those Dolphins. You know the Dolphins a game, it was home game. It was twenty minutes away from my house, minutes away. Oh my god, imagine that transaction in the middle of the game, like, you know, you gotta put somebody, you gotta cut them doing my Saturday. It's not allowed. It's not one of the rules. You can't you can't pull that guy off the couch. You can get him into the greatest thing ever. If I suited up at halftime and I came out there, I'd have been hitting everybody, though, I would have been trying to kill everybody. Be So let's get into that. Actually, what a great segue, clearly. Yeah. So one of the things that jumped out to me right away, and we got to know each other a little bit because you supported the work that JT did in the community and what have you. But one of the things that jumped out right away, I never seen kicker wear gloves. I had never seen a kicker wear gloves, And I'm like, what he's wearing gloves. You know, he's you know, you clearly spent some time in the weight room. You know, suns out, guns out here we go and you had the gloves on. I asked around, so we we love to do a little research for this podcast. I called some guys. I think as the stories go on, you'll start to figure out who we spoke with. But I called some guys you spent a lot of time with here with the dolphins, and I said, and they all had different theories, but we got to hear it from the man himself. How many damn kickers wear gloves? I've never seen it before? And why did Jay Feely wear gloves every time you played? There is a there is a rational decision for wearing them. And the other real thing is you got to look good to play good. Feel good, you know, I mean that's part of it, right, look good. You gotta feel good to go out there and play good. But one I like to make tackles. I like to get that. I was going to be down in there with everybody, you know, I felt like that was part of my job to go down there and be part of the coverage unit and really get in there and hit people. You know, and I wanted gloves. It helped me making those tackles, not getting fingernails ripped off, things like that. And then the second thing was fake, you know, and I wanted gloves on for the fake potentials, which I ran, I don't know, six or seven of them during my career, but and I didn't want to put a pair of gloves on when I was doing the fake and have it, you know, alert the team that I was going to do it. You know, people give me a hard time on Twitter all the time, you know, and they're like, they're like, what, what's with the gloves? And then I just post a picture of me scoring a touchdown holding the ball up as I go over the end zone with my gloves on. So you know that that was the real reason though, because you know, if you're gonna run a fake and you're gonna have like the touchdown I scored in Arizona, we had it in five weeks in a row before we actually called it, you have to get the right look. The defense got to line up in the right look. You know, we checked out of it four or five times. You know, we have an alert. Okay, let's call it. We get in there it's not the right look, check out of it, kick the field goal, you know, and for me, like it would crush me every time. I'm like, come on, give me that right look. I want to run this fake. You know, it'd be so hard to go in there and check out of it and just kick the field goal. And we finally were able to do it and get the end zone, which is fun. I love it. So the Intel, just so you know, spoke with John Danny and Brandon Fields and it was a combination of all those things. But John said that he goes, you can't just show up with the gloves. Yeah, everybody. You know, that's gonna tip everybody off. So those guys both said elo, but they okay, they gave me some good John Danny consummate professional. Like when you talk about what a professional athlete is, you know, a guy who probably played a lot longer than he should have based on you know, who he was, and that's what he says them and everything, you know, but a guy who came to work every day and just gave everything he had for the team and it was a consonant teammate. That's who John Danny was. Yeah, speaking of John Denny, you know. Sef said, you know, we talked to these guys a little bit and we asked John John, give us a great Jay Phoebe story, right, and we're thinking it might be some amazing kick you know, your workedout athlete or whatever whatever you had going on. But no, he said, every time was stuck out. The him was that you're always involved in the high stakes card games that were going on in locker room. And he said, in fact, I hear that your one hell of a bu Ray player play Ray with the best of them. Now you have JT or you had any of those guys. Now I'll tell you a funny story though. Joey Porter told me to come over to his house. We're gonna play bou Ray one time, and he said, hey, my my family's sleeping, like coming through the garage. So I go to walk through his garage and he's got this big pit bull that's sitting right in front of that right in front of the door, and that dog like picked his head up and looked at me cock eyed, and I was like, oh, heck no, I'm not doing that. So I went back to the front door, knocked on the door and he's like, what are you doing. I'm like, I'm gonna walk up to that. I'm not gonna get killed by your dog. I'd rather wake the family up and get killed by the dog. That's right. Let me tell you about the dogs. So so this guy over here had was it five or six, had five wallers, and and he had this, He had a kennel behind his house and juice. He had a basketball court and he would host the team. And we would play basketball every Wednesday night and every Saturday. And if a call did not go away, I want yours agreed with a call, especially in the night games. It was rough in the wednesdays. He'd get pissed off. He'd walk in the house and every why is he all mad? And then all of a sudden you'd start to hear the changing do let the dogs out, the lights off on the court. We'd all just go running. And those dogs, they I don't think he had fed them all day. He knew he wasn't going to see them in the case. So you had one at Joe Porter's house. This guy had five of them. But you know those are the fun time though, right, playing cards for me, Like I wanted to be a teammate. I wanted to be involved in everything. That's what I missed the most about playing, you know, was the locker room and hanging with the guys and being able to be with him and going to golf. You know, when you went golfing, you went with all your teammates. When you went to dinner, you went with all your teammates. That was the greatest part of being in the NFL was those relationships. So, as I said, we talked to John, we also spoke with Brandon. He did co sign on the card games. He said, you might have been a little bit of a magician there. I don't know, I don't I don't know if he played in those games or whatever, but he said he probably won't reveal his secrets. But you know, somehow Jay was always winning even when you didn't expect him to. So he said, you might have been a little Magicianaire. But he also spoke really kindly about because that was his rookie year and it was a tumultuous season and he went through I said, I guess they totally redid his mechanics and he was a little bit of a project. And he said you were this calming force for him because you were a vet because you had been through it all. I didn't even realize the whole story about you know, working by day, kicking by night and everything. But that was very meaningful to him. But he said, Jay was also a tactician. You couldn't go to any stadium and he wouldn't be able to say, hey, look in this stadium, ignore the flags on top of the goalpost. Find the American flag. That's how you're going to know the wind is. And you had a trick in every stadium that you walked in, talk about for a kicker specifically, and we hear it now on your broadcast. You know, you'll you'll give these little things, these tidbits that people wouldn't know if they didn't play this very unique position. Talk about how you kind of accumulate all this information, how important it is to really know more than just what you need to do to line up and kick the ball. Seth, that was never the best, right, I was never the strongest, could kick it the farthest, you know, So like I had to try to be the very best I could be in every aspect of the game, you know, and to get the very most out of myself. So whether that was gaining knowledge or you know, trying to figure out ways to make myself better any way that I could, And so that was just kind of part of it, is trying to accumulate knowledge. You know, a guy that you know, I watched Phil Dawson, who was a couple of years older than me, not a lot and played the whole time. He had a notebook that he kept that he would have on the sidelines and he'd write down like notes each time he played in the stadium and things that he because he wanted to remember that throughout his career every time he went back there. And so, you know, you just see guys that are successful and that they're doing what you want to do, and you watch them and you see what makes them successful and you try to emulate as much as you can. And that was kind of it for me, you know, coming in having to always prove myself, never being you know the guy, Okay, well we're we're gonna give you a big contract and we're gonna trust in you. Like I had to prove myself every year of my career, and I think that's part of why I was who I was. The way I worked in the off season, the way that I went down a kickoff, like I just knew I was a survivor. You know. I was one of those guys that like, I was gonna do everything I could to make you keep me on the team. And when I talked to young guys, I would try and grab young guys and help them understand that, you know. And a lot of times, you know, these guys would come into the league go jaed. You know you saw it too, and they think, oh, I got it made, I made it now, and you would grab them, you know, in the off season workouts and try to help them understand like it can go away this quick, and you have to work your ass off as much as you can and force them to keep you, you know, don't give them a reason to be able to get rid of you. And I think so many times guys would give them a reason to get rid of them. I love that. Yeah, that's so good. So a couple things that he said, I think you'll appreciate both of these. One I said, Okay, well you were the holder. Do different kickers like it? Oh? So Jay, he goes, all right, if you think about it, you had to tilt the ball to two o'clock he goes about two o'clock, if you know, if you understand what I'm saying, he goes, and then push it a little bit forward. Jay. You know, he had a big leg. He would always be in the in the ear of the coach. Once we got about around the forty five, so I could get this, I could get you know. He was always stand up by the coach, letting them know if you're out there. But he wanted it tilted a little bit forward so he could get a little bit extra on the ball. Does that sound did he did he have it? Nail? Oh? No, he's dead on and Brandon. You know, like when you get to the NFL, those holders, they do such a great job and it's almost always now the punter of understanding exactly what the guy wants. You know, when you're in high school, they just kind of put it down and the coach kind of has the mentality like you you just make it right whatever, whatever the way they put it down, you make it. Then in college it gets a little bit better, but you know a lot of times it's the backup quarterback or somebody. So but when you get to the NFL, they're so precise and they want to do their job so well. You know, it helps you to do your job. And Brandon was certainly very conscientious about doing his job and doing it well all these years later, and he was telling me exactly the angle that you wanted the ball, which is great. But the other story he told obviously that season they were unfortunately way too many losses to remember, but this specific game was the Pittsburgh game where it was just a deluge. It was like the whole thing was underwater. Oh my gosh, it was the worst game I ever played. And he said the field was like a sponge, he said, but the juice. There were two spots apparently on the entire field that were worth a dance. Could not kick one on either side, and so we had lined up for a field goal, but we were I guess five years in this spot, right, Like we talked about it before the game. Hey, if we're in this ten yard section, it was from like the twenty to the fifteen to the twenty five yard line, right, so that would be like a twenty five to thirty five yeard field goal. Like, we cannot kick it in that because you would you would stick in like six inches every and we we go to line up and we're in it and I'm yelling to the sidebines like, no, we can't kick it. Here is where we said, like take a delay. That's what he said. He said, you're gonna get the delay a game. I lef, yeah, yeah, And I was so ticked off because we weren like we had talked about it, this is what we're gonna do, and then they weren't doing it. They're like, they get in the game, They're just like, well, just kick it, just make it because it's zero zero, right. Nobody could score in that game. I think the game ended up three and then they went four and on fourth down so they could. They got into where you wanted to be, and then they decided to go for it, and then they decided to go for it. I was very hot on the sun. Oh Man, all could decide though, Jay Man, as awful as this season was, you know, you talked about a little bit yourself. It's your most productive year, perfect going extra points, best percentes field goals for Dolphins and Dolphin history, and like we talked about, they didn't bring you back. Tell us a little bit more about the meeting. You said it went bad with coach Perano. I mean that had to be part of the reason, right. Obviously, you know he's passed away. I certainly don't want to say anything negative about the man. And it just was they had a different philosophy and it started with Parcels. And you know, obviously they didn't they didn't want me to be I don't think they liked it. I did media. I don't think that they liked it. You know, I was a captain, you know, all that kind of stuff at the kicking position, and so I think that was just a decision that really Bill Parcels made. And you know, teams, I think in retrospect you learn a lot more right than when you're a player in the moment, and and you you learn to just kind of understand it. And you have to have a philosophy. You have to have a fluspia where you want to spend money and who you want to be the leaders on your team. And you know, I was a different kicker than a lot of kickers. You know, I didn't just go stand in a corner and not say a word like I was, you know, a vocal captain, and I was going to do media and I was going to you know, try to help myself for my career afterwards, which is why for the last ten years I've been doing TV and so and they didn't they didn't like that, and so that's just part of that's part of the business, you know, And and at the time, as you're going through it, you know, you're you're very hurt and your family has to move, and those are hard things, you know, when you take your kids and they're on teams like my son at the time, which was maybe the greatest flag football team of all time because it was my son Jase, who's now in Colorado. It was Jason Taylor's two boys who are both playing in right now, Mason Isaiah. It was Ricky William's son Prince, and my buddy Webby, whose son Kate is playing at Alabama right now. Like that was the core of our flag football team. Like those five dudes on defense, Like we didn't give up a point all year. Like it was so much fun watching them play, you know. But they have friends and they have relationships and they're in school and all of a sudden, you're like, gosh, I got cut, Like we got to move, you know, and it's tough when you're moving around, moving your family around a lot, and you know, but when your career is done, you look back and you kind of understand it more and you have more more perspective. Sounds like you guys had a Tampa Jesuit team going on there, man, a lot of recruitments. Yeah, exactly, like we were dominants like football, man, think about that roster. So as you you know, again, you just teed me up perfectly here. But twenty fourteen, you play your last game and you transition into broadcasting. And that's not uncommon for athletes to do that, and clearly you had a vision while you were playing, but it isn't necessarily common for people at your position. There aren't a ton of kickers that are broadcasting games. So was that ever in your mind that there was an obstacle because of the position you played? Is that why you tried to do things while you played? Just talk about that whole process, Seth. I didn't really picture myself calling games. I thought I would do TV, and I had done a lot of ESPN. I'd done a lot of first take and some of their shows. It was actually cold pizza back in the day when I started, And so that's kind of the avenue. I thought I would go down, maybe even get into politics and do some political commentary. I'd done some stuff with different channels. But I got a call from CBS when my last year, when I was still playing, and they asked me if I was interested in doing games at all, and I said, you know, like I hadn't really thought about it. And so they said, you want to try a game, and so I did one game. It was BYU at Middle Tennessee State. I had no idea what I was doing. They don't really sit down and tell you what to do prior to doing the game. And so I did this game, and I didn't know if I sucked or if I was good. Like I finished the game and you're just like, I had no idea. It's such a subjective job, you know, there's no objective measures to be able to look at and say, oh, yeah, I did it. Really, it's not like kicking a field goal, like I know if I kick it between the uprights, right, It's it's very black and white. And so you know, at the end, they said, listen, if you want to do games next year and you're gonna be done, you know, we would hire you and so that kind of made it easy for me to like say, okay, I think I'm done, because I was really at the end. I was kind of like teeing off with a three ron, like I didn't have a driver anymore, you know, and I would hit the ball and think I'm kickoff, like oh I hit that one good. It would go to like the goal line. So you know, I kind of knew like my time was up, and that made it kind of easy because I think the thing you fear most when you're done playing is that you don't have this new challenge, like that that era of your life is done. And what am I gonna do? And I don't want to sit at home all day and just go play golf all the time. And I want I want something that I want to go after, and so to do games. And the only other kicker who had ever done games for the NFL up in the booth, you know, was Pat summer Off. And then Pat became the legendary play by play guy, but he started an analyst, and so I kind of liked that challenge, like Okay, I can do this. I'm gonna prove that I'm good enough. I'm gonna prove that I know the game well enough and I'm gonna learn it even more to be able to go out there and to call these games and to do a good job. And you know, it's been fun and it's been fun for me to kind of break down that wall, in that barrier and to do it, you know, for the last nine years, and to keep doing it. Now. Okay, Jay, we're gonna we're gonna take off your broadcasting hat real quick, and we're gonna put that dad hat back on you. You You mentioned this a little bit of hat. Your dad, your dad hat. Dad had dad hat. There we go. You mentioned your son Jason earlier and he's at the University of Colorado. Of course, like right now, Colorado's been the hot topic of every college football thing with Dion Sanders right there. But we want to get your perspective on this whole thing. How was it being a part of this whole situation where your son is being coached by coach Prime. It goes back to broadcasting. Note, Jay, really, because Sean and I did games together about six years ago. We did Thursday night football fir at Wow and so every Thursday we were together doing a game. He was doing, you know, before the game and at halftime, pregame at halftime, and I was doing the game, and so we'd be in the green room talking and he was coaching high school football at the time, coaching his sons, you know, so I would always ask like, Okay, who you got, you know, are they good? He give me the breakdown. He'd be asking me about Jase. And I actually have a video that I posted of Dion sending Jason message when he was a freshman in high school, you know, talking about him playing linebacker as well as kicker, and how he needed him to come play for him, and you know, kind of joking with him and then just telling him good luck and all that stuff. And so when he got the Colorado job and Jace wanted to transfer from Arizona State because herm had gotten fired, I called him up immediately. I said, listen, if you need a kicker like Jace wants Jason, come play for you. And then happened pretty quick. And it's been a crazy journey for jas, you know, and just all the focus and the chaos that's there on the sidelines, all the celebrities and you know, trying as a dad but also as a football guy. To be like, Okay, here's how you here's how you state mentally focused. You can't get caught up and you know, all this off and you know you have to stay. And I told the first thing I did was like turn all your mentions off on all your social media, Like, do not hear anything all year long, positive or negative. Like it's not going to help you to achieve your goals, you know, And so trying to just help him navigate this whole journey and teach him from maybe the mistakes that I made, lessons that I learned, and just kind of be there, you know, as someone who understands the game and understands those dynamics and just kind of help him walk through this journey together. So it's been fun. Obviously I know the position, so I can help him, you know, from the technical standpoint as well, But I think more than anything, it's really just helping him mentally and know how how to handle the ups and downs of the kicking position and when you miss a kick, how do you handle that and what do you do? And you know, and just being there for him, you know, in those both in the highs and the lows. And so it's been fun. He and I are best friends. Like we go on trips every year, just the two of us together. We go all over. Last year, we went to Ireland playing golf and and and then jumped over to Iceland like one night where I was like, he was like, yeah, we've done here like five days. I'm like, you want to go to Iceland tomorrow? Then instead he's like yeah, So we like hopped on a flight, went to Iceland, two days in Iceland, had a blast there, and then came back. But you know, I just I just love the kid. We have so much fun together. You know, I know this Jay that most kickers a damn good golfers man. So who's a better golfer? You? Your son Jason, So you know, and I can play. If you talk to those guys, they probably told you that too, said. But he beat me for the first time in his life last year. Now there's a guy he played in high school. He was in the state championship in high school. But he couldn't beat me. You know, I would find a way to like birdy the last two holes, to beat him all the time. And in June I went out to Colorado and he was like two up on me. After after the first nine, and I shot four under on the back nine, and he shot three under and beat me by one. And he birdied the seventeenth and eighteenth. Told to beat me. So he was pretty happy about that. Yeah, he was fired out. I'm here. You know what he's talking, right, Yeah, I kickers if I played bogie golf, I'm happy, man, which doesn't happen. I don't play. I just thought on golf tournaments for that very reason. So and we don't even do that anymore. So, well, Jay, I know you're working today. We're not gonna hold you much longer. And I also know that you have capped your share of two minute drills and made a lot of teams happy in the process. We're gonna run you through our two minute drill. We end every episode with the fish tank two minute drill. I would say, normally, guys feel like it's a high pressure situation. But you know this is old hat for you. You're not worried about this. We're gonna throw some fast paced questions. O. Jay makes the catch, I'm gonna make the kick. We're good. Yeah, and I think I'm in pretty good shape. As I started to off here, you just got directed throw the right passes. I love it. I love it all right, So we got too manute. You can't see it, but Kyle's got two minutes on the clock, juice, Let's go ahead. Let's do this thing, all right. Bigger career accomplishment making the Pro Bowl in two thousand and five or having a Saturday Night Live skit made about you also in two thousand and five. Well, I'm gonna say the Pro Bowl because that was a positive. They're making fun. But when you look back at it, you know, not a lot of people have their own pass right right. I like that for sure. All Right, So recently you talked about social media. You tweeted, ex posted whatever we call it, that you can't wait to see the Miami Dolphins on hard knots. So, in ten words or less, what makes the Miami Dolphins team interesting? I can't do ten words or less because I wanted to say this, Like, I love Mike McDaniel. I mean just he is an offensive genius. He's so creative. But more than anything, this guy knew from day one that Tua was his guy. And he went about remaking to a not physically but emotionally first, and he did an unbelievable job. We had a great production meeting with one time where he told the whole story about the seven hundred plays that he made up and not only convinced books, the coaching staff, and the organization, but two of himself that he was good enough. And Tua told us like at one point with Brian Flores like he felt like he asked himself, do I suck? You know? And what Mike did was build a belief in himself that he was good enough. And you're seeing that. And I'd give Mike so much credit for seeing the skill into a and then to help him believe it in himself again, I think he did an unbelievable job. Agreed, I'm gonna call time out, so we got one play left to get us some position for a big kick ahead. Drew. Its's got two questions. Okay, what's more difficult executed a successful on side kick or making a field goal in arena football. I'm gonna say the on side kick, because I mean, you look at him now and basically it's almost a given that you're not gonna get it. I mean, you can hit the best kick and you still don't get it. Teams do such a great job of executing and not allowing you to get it. So the best on side kick is a surprise onside. Don't wait until the end like, do it early on when you when you catch him and you have the best chance of getting that. That's why I got the gloves on too. So you recover that. Right there, you go with God five or six in his career that he recovered. Okay, last question, we're bringing Pheey on the field. We gotta nail this thing. What non kicking member, non kicking member of the two thousand and seven Miami Dolphins roster you have trusted the most to make a winning kick. If you couldn't go out there yourself and do it, I'm gonna go with John Denny. Don it wasn't Brandon Field most of the time, it would have been the punter. I think John Denny would have had the best opportunity to go in there. Definitely not Jason Taylor, Definitely not Zach Thomas. They could kick a ball. But John Denny I think could have gone in there and done it. That is in two minutes all right through the upright he is Jay Feely. I know you're working today, man, but you made time for us. It was great to reconnect with you and really appreciate it. Yeah, great stuff everything you guys do staff down there. Oh Jay, great to see you body. Thanks Jag, Thanks for diving in. Jay, absolutely you're now diving just like Jew said. Thanks for diving into the fish Tank presented by iHeartRadio. Be sure to follow us on whatever streaming platform you're using, and don't be afraid to rate the show or leave us a comment. We love your feedback, and remember you can find us as well as Drive Time with Travis Wingfield and all of our international partners on Miami Dolphins dot com